Macht Schnell wheel spacer reference thread

[pumper206]

Thanks for taking the time out to do this spacer thread. Bump for a great sponsor!!

[brandon @ eas]

Originally Posted by pumper206

Thanks for taking the time out to do this spacer thread. Bump for a great sponsor!!

No problem! Thanks for the appreciation

[brandon @ eas]

Year/model BMW:
2008 M3 Coupe

Wheels/offset:
Front: BBS CH 19x8.5 et20
Rear: BBS CH 19x10 et20

Tire size:
Front:Nitto Invo 255/35/19
Rear: Nitto Invo 275/35/19

Suspension:
KWV3

Spacer size:
Front: 12mm
Rear: 10mm

[sinajoon7]

Wow the pictures turned out great Brandon! thanks for taking the time to snap a couple for me. just to help with the details you listed i edited it for you.

should be:

Year/model BMW:
2008 M3 Coupe

Wheels/offset:
Front: BBS CH 19x8.5 et20
Rear: BBS CH 19x10 et20

Tire size:
Front:Nitto Invo 255/35/19
Rear: Nitto Invo 275/35/19

Suspension:
KWV3

Spacer size:
Front: 12mm
Rear: 10mm

[brandon @ eas]

Originally Posted by sinajoon7

Wow the pictures turned out great Brandon! thanks for taking the time to snap a couple for me. just to help with the details you listed i edited it for you.

should be:

Year/model BMW:
2008 M3 Coupe

Wheels/offset:
Front: BBS CH 19x8.5 et20
Rear: BBS CH 19x10 et20

Tire size:
Front:Nitto Invo 255/35/19
Rear: Nitto Invo 275/35/19

Suspension:
KWV3

Spacer size:
Front: 12mm
Rear: 10mm

Awesome! Thanks for the details, it's all updated now

[sehrgut]

+1 for this thread.

[saeedg48]

Any down falls to spacers?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by saeedg48

Any down falls to spacers?

Not at all, other than selecting the incorrect (or inferior) fasteners in which the Macht Schnell kits already have lugs included for a complete package.

Whi;e its best to get a wheel with the correct offsets to your vehicle, some think a bit "out of the box" and utilize spacers for "fine tune" final fitment allowing for wider wheels or tires to tuck underneath.

Also. lots of OEM companies (including Porsche) use spacers as an OEM part.

[Max3]

I really need to get a set of these. I'm thinking about RD Sport springs as well, that combo must look sweet.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Max3

I really need to get a set of these. I'm thinking about RD Sport springs as well, that combo must look sweet.

The RDs offer the lowest drop among all the springs - it would look awesome.

[Max3]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

The RDs offer the lowest drop among all the springs - it would look awesome.

Definitely. We'll talk about it more when I come and get my iBrights installed

[brandon @ eas]

Year/model BMW:
2010 M3 Coupe

Wheels/offset:
Front: VMR V718 19x8.5 et20
Rear: VMR V718 19x9.5 et22

Tire size:
Front:Hankook Ventus V12 245/35/19
Rear: Hankook Ventus V12 275/35/19

Suspension:
H&R Sport springs

Spacer size:
Front: NA
Rear: 10mm

[MP0WER]

Ok... a couple of questions....

My car is pretty darn low with at set of TC Klein coil overs. Seems that some of the lowered cars listed use 12 - 10mm spacers for stock 19s. Is that about the norm?

On the pic of the AW car with the Ericsson kit, the felt covered air diflectors under the front end are missing. Can you simply eliminate those and still use the stock bumber cover?

I've heard several people say that spacers are ok, even for heavy track use; but they also say that you should switch to a studs and lug nuts rather than extended lug bolts. Is that what MS's kit comes with or are they extended lug bolts? That's really the only thing holding me back from spacers is the fact that lots of load is placed on those extended lug bolts. i'm not an engineer but it seems that as the lug bolts are lengthened the leverage point of the wheel in also increased placing even more stress on the lug bolts.

Thanks for this thread. Lots of good info... and pretty pictures too.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

Ok... a couple of questions....

My car is pretty darn low with at set of TC Klein coil overs. Seems that some of the lowered cars listed use 12 - 10mm spacers for stock 19s. Is that about the norm?

On the pic of the AW car with the Ericsson kit, the felt covered air diflectors under the front end are missing. Can you simply eliminate those and still use the stock bumber cover?

I've heard several people say that spacers are ok, even for heavy track use; but they also say that you should switch to a studs and lug nuts rather than extended lug bolts. Is that what MS's kit comes with or are they extended lug bolts? That's really the only thing holding me back from spacers is the fact that lots of load is placed on those extended lug bolts. i'm not an engineer but it seems that as the lug bolts are lengthened the leverage point of the wheel in also increased placing even more stress on the lug bolts.

Thanks for this thread. Lots of good info... and pretty pictures too.

The MS Spacer kits come with matched extended lug bolts. Studs are recommended for the track or for those that see frequent wheel changes, in which the same fasteners (studs) can remain on the vehicle.

The spacer thicknesses used are very minimal (for instance, Ferrari models use a 40mm with no ill effects) and not something to worry about when it comes to bearing life.

[ss134]

A few questions i hope the more knowledgeable members maybe able to help with, many thanks!

Picking up my new E90 M3 in July and love the looks of the 12/15 spacers with a eibach drop. My only concern is that while this looks great i will occasionally have a full load in the boot and back seats (when taking the family on holiday etc) - will this cause me an issue?

Also if these spacers/drop combo's improve looks and handling then why does BMW not 1. make them like this from the factory 2. Offer this as an OEM upgrade kit? - There must be some drawbacks to the spacers

I regularly travel at high speeds on the Autobahn, are these kits designed to repeatedly take that sort of punishment?

[david @ eas]

Originally Posted by ss134

A few questions i hope the more knowledgeable members maybe able to help with, many thanks!

Picking up my new E90 M3 in July and love the looks of the 12/15 spacers with a eibach drop. My only concern is that while this looks great i will occasionally have a full load in the boot and back seats (when taking the family on holiday etc) - will this cause me an issue?

Also if these spacers/drop combo's improve looks and handling then why does BMW not 1. make them like this from the factory 2. Offer this as an OEM upgrade kit? - There must be some drawbacks to the spacers

I regularly travel at high speeds on the Autobahn, are these kits designed to repeatedly take that sort of punishment?

I've taken dedicated track E36's w/ huge spacers on before with no issues, as well as much heavier cars and trucks on the track (yes I said trucks ) with no issues as well.

The 15/12mm sizes are close to what is the most you could put on the car, but even with a full load of passengers, there's no need to worry. Customers have left us with 15mm/12mm sizes as the best to go with as they don't rub w/ coilovers, springs, or stock suspension.

[brandon @ eas]

Just snapped some quick shots of my friend's M3. 12mm spacers up front, and 10mm spacers in the rear, lowered on Eibach Pro kit springs

[ss134]

Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

I've taken dedicated track E36's w/ huge spacers on before with no issues, as well as much heavier cars and trucks on the track (yes I said trucks ) with no issues as well.

The 15/12mm sizes are close to what is the most you could put on the car, but even with a full load of passengers, there's no need to worry. Customers have left us with 15mm/12mm sizes as the best to go with as they don't rub w/ coilovers, springs, or stock suspension.

Thanks for the response - any idea why BMW dont use spacers or even offer them as OEM upgrades?

[brandon @ eas]

Originally Posted by ss134

Thanks for the response - any idea why BMW dont use spacers or even offer them as OEM upgrades?

Im sure some dealers do. I used to work for Mercedes Benz, and noticed that when I would visit some dealers, almost all of the cars in the showroom (the more performance oriented cars) had spacers on. Mainly the AMG cars, Braubus etc

[Doctor J]

Thank you for this thread.

Just ordered 18/15 for my car

[KM3]

Originally Posted by ss134

Thanks for the response - any idea why BMW dont use spacers or even offer them as OEM upgrades?

BMW is required to leave a certain amount of clearance for low profile snow chains, which is why cars don't come from the factory with the most aggressive stance possible.

[AWFRM3]

For OEM 19's on stock suspension, I'm having trouble deciding between 18mm front/15mm rear, or 15F/12R. In some pics, the 18/15 looks flush, but in other pictures, it looks like it sticks out a bit past the top of the fender, especially on the back.
On the other hand, in some pics the 15/12 looks flush, but in other pics, it looks not quite flush. What do you recommend? Thanks in advance.