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      02-13-2007, 07:53 PM   #23
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some people are expecting too much outta M3...
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      02-13-2007, 08:45 PM   #24
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Because they can. Like I have said before, there is a lot of talk on this forum.
I see very little action.
I highly doubt there is any poster here that would spent the money on a CSL just to take it to the track, mostly because many here just dream and can't buy.
But in the meantime telling the ones that can, how much the hate what they do.
If you want to be a purist get this
It's going to be cheaper, faster and a pure track/ streetcar
A friend of mine has an Exige (non-superchargerd) and it is a fine machine, but it is a little too raw for me, along with a very high percentage of the population I would imagine. If I wanted a track only car, I would definitely consider one, but that is not what I'm after. But I don't want a bloated pig of a car either. Got to find a happy medium.
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      02-14-2007, 12:27 AM   #25
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if want pure , can take a bit further than a Lotus,
experienced our local TVR gang, 4000-5000cc , 1060kg fibre body convertible, 3.7s for the 5000cc. it take 0 to 240kmh with no hesitation. Only with the LP640 level of engine power can fool with it. These are pure mean 'machine', the engine could heat up like an oven anytime. Only 8 in our whole city. I was not even dare enough be 'qualified' to sit in one, not to say to drive it. CSL? No, I shall stick with a nicely balanced , more gargets and a safe M3 V8.
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      02-14-2007, 02:15 AM   #26
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Same or better will be available for the M3

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well here it 540 hp RS4, it appears it can be done, but hardly a software upgrade....

http://www.europeancarweb.com/featur..._mtm_audi_rs4/
Nice kit. I'd love to drive that beast. However, the M3 will probably have a 12:1 compression ratio so a similar system will likely bolt on nicely to an M3. 550 hp That would substantially best an F430 in power to weight and be darn close to the Z06!
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      02-14-2007, 08:00 AM   #27
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Well I couldn't personally see the point in spending the extra money on a CSL, with M's weight saving efforts and adding all that crap back in. If you wanted stereos and the like, save yourself some money and get an M3. They took it out to make it what it was.
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An extra 25G's for the MTM kit is
You'll be in a nearly 100 G car. Porsche comes to mind
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The TVR's are great cars, no doubt.
Only problem is, you can only buy them if living in Europe, Russia and Japan.
I am actually surprised that they are not for sale in USA to be honest
It runs around the same price as a RS4.

And I think I am in
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The TVR's are great cars, no doubt.
Only problem is, you can only buy them if living in Europe, Russia and Japan.
I am actually surprised that they are not for sale in USA to be honest
It runs around the same price as a RS4.

And I think I am in
You surely a fan! TVR does not comply with Euro 4 standard. Import to HK was banned some years ago. Even before that, only few immigrants with special privilege can bring them in HK from the UK e.g. British pilots. And that is why, only 8 or 10 backdated TVR models in HK. As being an amateur passenger, at high speed sharp bend, though the G-force was as strong as like on a roller-coaster but it was still like the car is on rails! TVR interior is more luxury than the Lotus, it has high quality strong leather all around, beautiful body paint. 300+hp for 1060kg body...it will beat 430 and 997TT and only the LP640 and 599 have a chance. Now, here we only find Lotus Exige as the most pure we can get but exhaust sound is nothing as grand as the TVR.
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      02-14-2007, 01:21 PM   #31
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that last one looks AMAZING!
We need more cars in US!!!
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this one is sick, not too pure, but money can buy, though i prefer the LamBo if I ever I do feel like to spend that much before my life ends.
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      02-15-2007, 11:41 AM   #33
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I have been on the waiting list for the new M3 at my local dealer for over a year and anticipating the new M3, hopefully it will be here before 2008.

A lot of members are referencing historical data regarding release dates and other data and it is widely assumed that the new M3 will have more horsepower than the current Audi RS4 which is rated at 420 hp. 440 hp has been mentioned a lot.

The E36 M3 was rated at 240 hp and the Audio S4 at the time was a 2.7 TT with 250 hp. The E46 M3 was 333 hp, the Audi S4 at the time was a 4.2l V8 at 340 hp. Of note, the M3 was always lighter and faster none the less.

Assuming we regard the RS4 in the same light as the S4s before it, the new M3 will have less than 420 hp, but should be faster and lighter.

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The true E36 released in 1995 had 298 HP (S50 B30), and was then upgraded in '97 to 315 HP (S52 B32) also know as the M3 EVO. Now of course these cars were only offered in Europe.

IMHO the US Spec E36 was nothing more then a 328 with cams a sport suspension.

The E46 M3 was the first time since the E30 M3 that both the US and European version of the M3 had the same power plant.
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The true E36 released in 1995 had 298 HP (S50 B30), and was then upgraded in '97 to 315 HP (S52 B32) also know as the M3 EVO. Now of course these cars were only offered in Europe.

IMHO the US Spec E36 was nothing more then a 328 with cams a sport suspension.

The E46 M3 was the first time since the E30 M3 that both the US and European version of the M3 had the same power plant.
Its incredible that BMW still shorts M buyers in North America, which has become the largest market for BMW in terms of unit sales of M cars. The euro E60 M5, for example, has a far more effective launch control that launches at a higher rpm than the US version and upshifts through each gear at redline as well, unlike the US version. This leads to far better accelleration times for the ROW cars -- which usually are the cars tested by the media at product release.

BMW is not alone in this practice. The RS4 in North America does not come with the more extreme steering wheel and seats that are available in the ROW; the GT3 does not not come with the extreme seats either. But in these two examples, the differences are merely cosmetic (although real sport seats of course make it easier to exploit the performance of the car on the track).
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Its incredible that BMW still shorts M buyers in North America, which has become the largest market for BMW in terms of unit sales of M cars. The euro E60 M5, for example, has a far more effective launch control that launches at a higher rpm than the US version and upshifts through each gear at redline as well, unlike the US version. This leads to far better accelleration times for the ROW cars -- which usually are the cars tested by the media at product release.

BMW is not alone in this practice. The RS4 in North America does not come with the more extreme steering wheel and seats that are available in the ROW; the GT3 does not not come with the extreme seats either. But in these two examples, the differences are merely cosmetic (although real sport seats of course make it easier to exploit the performance of the car on the track).
The are reasons for all of the things you stated. The launch control is not on US cars because most owners would use it too much and damage the car and then blame the dealerships and BMW. You can thank the lawyers for that one not BMW. The seats in the RS4 and GT3 will NOT pass US DOT standards so that is why we will not see them. I believe the sterring wheels is also for crash testing as I dont think it passed because of lower body injuries. I am not sure on the sterring wheel but I know I am right about all the others.
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The are reasons for all of the things you stated. The launch control is not on US cars because most owners would use it too much and damage the car and then blame the dealerships and BMW.
BMW limits its warranty coverage in the US (and probably the ROW) to exclude damage caused by abuse. If someone in the US buys a manual transmission car and does max rpm clutch drops until something breaks, or does a money shift and blows the motor, do think BMW will fix the car because it is afraid of lawyers?
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BMW limits its warranty coverage in the US (and probably the ROW) to exclude damage caused by abuse. If someone in the US buys a manual transmission car and does max rpm clutch drops until something breaks, or does a money shift and blows the motor, do think BMW will fix the car because it is afraid of lawyers?
no but by not having launch control they avoid any future hassles.
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BMW limits its warranty coverage in the US (and probably the ROW) to exclude damage caused by abuse. If someone in the US buys a manual transmission car and does max rpm clutch drops until something breaks, or does a money shift and blows the motor, do think BMW will fix the car because it is afraid of lawyers?
It's very simple; in the US you can't include a feature on something and then void their warranty because they used it too many times.

In Europe you can.

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It's very simple; in the US you can't include a feature on something and then void their warranty because they used it too many times.

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Care to provide a cite for that? I am unaware of a law that prevents a clearly stated limitation (i.e., your transmission is warranted against all defects for 30 launches or 40,000 miles, whichever comes first) from being enforceable.
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Care to provide a cite for that? I am unaware of a law that prevents a clearly stated limitation (i.e., your transmission is warranted against all defects for 30 launches or 40,000 miles, whichever comes first) from being enforceable.
I'm not a lawyer and the laws vary by state, I beleive it's under the umbrella of implied warrenties. I would be much obliged if someone in the know could weigh in, even if they indicate that I'm wrong.

Ultimately US Laws and the litigious nature of US society are responsible for the variation.


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