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      03-22-2010, 11:03 PM   #67
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i'm sorry you're so upset cycler. i didn't mean to set you off or anything. my comment was simply to advise you that i didn't give a shit about your problems. that's all.

we cool?
That's very rude.
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By what measures? Infant mortality rate? Yeah we suck at that. Otherwise, the care that we provide in the US is actually awesome. I don't think you'll find more Critical Care beds any where else in the world (20% in the US compared to 5% in the ROW)
No...our very diverse patients "suck at that"...we have illegals that swim across the boarder, get no prenatal care and just present to some L&D and deliver...

We have mom's that spend every waking minute trying to score their next "rock" to smoke...lets no forget the meth and heroin...

If you just consider the "normal" (meaning anyone that any of us would ever date/marry)...our infant mortality rate is second to none...

BTW....we save babies (23.5 weeks) that they rest of the world never counts...

In 15 years of practice...I have lost one baby that "could have lived"...mom spent the evening smoking crack...started abrupting (google complete placental abruption)...got some other idiot to drop her off at the ER door...they rushed her to L&D...hemorrhaging...baby was out 7 minutes after she hit the door...baby died anyway...
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      03-23-2010, 12:18 AM   #69
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No...our very diverse patients "suck at that"...we have illegals that swim across the boarder, get no prenatal care and just present to some L&D and deliver...

We have mom's that spend every waking minute trying to score their next "rock" to smoke...lets no forget the meth and heroin...

If you just consider the "normal" (meaning anyone that any of us would ever date/marry)...our infant mortality rate is second to none...

BTW....we save babies (23.5 weeks) that they rest of the world never counts...

In 15 years of practice...I have lost one baby that "could have lived"...mom spent the evening smoking crack...started abrupting (google complete placental abruption)...got some other idiot to drop her off at the ER door...they rushed her to L&D...hemorrhaging...baby was out 7 minutes after she hit the door...baby died anyway...
Wow, I don't agree with your view of segregating into them vs us. Similar problem exist in other countries.
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anybody else curious as to whats going to happen tomorrow morning when those 15 state attorneys file suit against the federal government?
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anybody else curious as to whats going to happen tomorrow morning when those 15 state attorneys file suit against the federal government?
Back alley pay-offs, of course. That is how government operates these days......
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Let me explain something to you once and for all because I see you love using the term hyperbole. When our income is $260K a year and I pay $105,500 in taxes that for me my freind is enough. What I choose to with my HARD EARNED MONEY is my business. How I spend it is MY BUSINESS. Dont look at what I make and tell me that Im blowing things out of proportion. After my $105,500 is paid.....leave me alone. If I want to donate my money that my business. If I want to invest it, my business. But its people like you who think that counting others peoples money or rather hoping people like myself get taxed more so people like you can up your living standards. Once again I took loans out to build a business that is flourishing. I TOOK THE RISK NO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. And Im happy I can live the way I live in these economic times. But neither you or anyone else will be there to bail me out if my business flops and I cant pay the bills. But they will certainly be there when my business is doing well so that I can spread the wealth. Bottom line me and my family alone should reap the rewards not you or anyone else after I pay my taxes that equal $105,500 which Obama will raise. Your to busy telling me how I should spend my money or how not spend my money by making your comments "who told you to buy a 2010 bmw" None of your business. When the pond scum come out of the woodworks and actually work a little instead of sitting home and expecting handouts and then they see how difficult work is maybe just maybe they will stop blowing it on ridiculous and outlandish toys that others have who can afford it. Maybe I should be taxed a little more so that your state can get out of the shit hole also. But until then Mr. Socialist, go have a coke and a smile and SHUT THE FUCK UP

Dude, I didn't say that you should or shouldn't buy a BMW with the $$ you make. Re-read through the posts, Mr. Defensive .I was questioning your comments like "Soon I will be living the same life as someone who makes 50K a year. So technically(sic) if I can work less and make 50K and live like the guy who busts his ass and takes risks and makes $260k I might as well throw my business away and work as a manager at the GAP". In that statement you were the one who said that soon, you'll be living like someone who takes home $30k per year, on your $250k income. Which sounds like you'll be paying around $220k a year in tax, based on YOUR comments. That would be around 88% of your income going towards tax.

And hey guess what, I paid around the same in tax that you did. Quit your whining and get over yourself. If you don't like paying taxes stop driving YOUR BMW on MY fucking roads.
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hey xcomicbook, youre funny and sort of ignorant at the same time. you are the only one who doesnt really understand this entire conversation or the post I made. Ide love meeting you one day and ordering a burger and fries from you when you are working at McDonalds
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That amount will include the extra taxes I have to pay for our income being above $250K as well as a cadillac tax of $7,600 that we will have to pay for our health care because its a $40k a year policy.

As far as what I do for a living. My wife is a teacher and I own a company that designs and distributes titanium and stainless steel ophthalmic and thorasic instruments
Your wife makes 95k as a teacher? In a public school?
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Here's a question about the bill (or maybe reframing the bill a bit)

If you're a healthy late 20s to early 30 year old. Keep yourself in good shape by eating well and regular exercise (My guess is that at least 60% of the posters on this board falls into this category). In the past, you have always opted to either buy the cheapest insurance possible from your employer's plan or completely opted out.

With this new bill, you will be required to buy insurance, or get penalized on an annual basis from the Fed by means of a tax bill. This will start in 2013 and increase...

So the govt has become in essense a "bill collector" for the insurance companies? they have mandated that everyone get health insurance, or be taxed?!? Hmm - Maybe while the insurance companies have been lobbying against the bill, they may have been secretly applauding... They now have the Fed to steer more customers to health insurnace coverage by means of a mandate!

Still reading up on the bill. I don't think that I'll be that affected, other than paying more taxes (what else is new), but since I'm thinking of starting a small business, I may be better off?

In the small business scenario (less than 50 employees) I now don't need to worry about providing health care to the employees - they're obligated to buy it on their own?)

Is this correct or am I way off?
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hey xcomicbook, youre funny and sort of ignorant at the same time. you are the only one who doesnt really understand this entire conversation or the post I made. Ide love meeting you one day and ordering a burger and fries from you when you are working at McDonalds
Yes I understand your post completely. You have the attitude of a quitter. And I will continue to point out that you make outrageous remarks. Oh and what the hell, you make a quarter mil a year, and you can't afford to put apostrophes in your post.

And don't worry, you'll never meet me. Keep on thinking that I have some crappy little McJob, that's funny. Hey at least I am not selling overpriced products to the healthcare industry.
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Here's a question about the bill (or maybe reframing the bill a bit)

If you're a healthy late 20s to early 30 year old. Keep yourself in good shape by eating well and regular exercise (My guess is that at least 60% of the posters on this board falls into this category). In the past, you have always opted to either buy the cheapest insurance possible from your employer's plan or completely opted out.

With this new bill, you will be required to buy insurance, or get penalized on an annual basis from the Fed by means of a tax bill. This will start in 2013 and increase...

So the govt has become in essense a "bill collector" for the insurance companies? they have mandated that everyone get health insurance, or be taxed?!? Hmm - Maybe while the insurance companies have been lobbying against the bill, they may have been secretly applauding... They now have the Fed to steer more customers to health insurnace coverage by means of a mandate!

Still reading up on the bill. I don't think that I'll be that affected, other than paying more taxes (what else is new), but since I'm thinking of starting a small business, I may be better off?

In the small business scenario (less than 50 employees) I now don't need to worry about providing health care to the employees - they're obligated to buy it on their own?)

Is this correct or am I way off?
I believe you're correct about the 50 employees thing.

And I'm not too worried about how the bill will affect me in 2013. It'll change a dozen times between now and then. I bet the court costs for all the impending lawsuits and challenges will go way beyond the total cost of this bill. We still have a right-leaning Supreme Court and the Chief Justice ain't too happy with Obama as it is. I think this coming decade will be defined by the battle over this bill.
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I had a pretty good discussion with my wife's cousin, Who is a MD/Surgeon up in Boston (Which has state medical coverage). Let's call him "Dan"

I've learned - Well over 70% of the medical costs is involved in a person's last 5 years of life. ie. a cancer patient's cost for chemo, expensive medicine and hospice care

Many doctors who are recognized "experts" in their field now do not take any insurance of any kind - they don't want to deal with that type of headache. In fact, Dan chose to close his private practice with other MDs and join a hospital to avoid the headache of insurance costs and paperwork. One of his partners stayed private, but went completely "cash only" that is, no insurance accepted. If the patient wanted to see him, then they had to pay by check or credit card, and then apply for the insurance on their own. He's a well-enough recognized surgeon that he still attracts the people willing to pay for the "expert" and deal with the paperwork on their own.

Lastly, Dan and many of my other MD friends are telling their kids not to join the medical field. This is disheartening.

My point is this: the wealthy will always have access to better medical care than the poor. While I applaud the gov't attempt to make care accessible to all, I don't think it will change this fact.
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Yes I understand your post completely. You have the attitude of a quitter. And I will continue to point out that you make outrageous remarks. Oh and what the hell, you make a quarter mil a year, and you can't afford to put apostrophes in your post.

And don't worry, you'll never meet me. Keep on thinking that I have some crappy little McJob, that's funny. Hey at least I am not selling overpriced products to the healthcare industry.
No McAss you dont understand the post. The post is not of a quitter. If it was I would never have taken out loans or made this company flourish. This post was all about how much is enough for the government to take from citizens who make more than the average working man. And why is it ok for the government to take our hard earned money and move us closer together to someone making 50k-60k a year. You dont understand at all. Instead you are already telling me that I sell overpriced products to the health care industry. Keep on thinking the way you do.
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Your wife makes 95k as a teacher? In a public school?
She works in the Long Island for the last 10 years and each school district pays differently. Hense why my property taxes are $10K a year. Her contract expires in 2011 where she will be at $100,000 a year. But you have to understand something there are two types of pay scales. The first is the step scale where she goes up in salary every year. Then there is the masters plus program where their salary goes up every time they receive 10 credits above their master. And its capped off at 75 credits. She has 70 credits. One of the reasons she is so high up on the pay scale is because she completed the plus 70 credits in 3 years while the majority of teacher in long island complete it in 10 years. She got her masters and got a position litteraly within 3 weeks of graduating. Right place at the right time. Then when she got the job she started taking the masters plus classes right away because she didnt want it to interfere once we had kids and she heard a lot of teachers complaining "oh i missed my kids dance class, soccer game, baseball game etc etc" So she took night classes, summer classes and she did it in 3 years. Within 3 years she was making more money than teachers who taught for 5-7 years. Now she makes more than teachers who have been on the job 14-16 years. These teachers only now completed their masters plus 70. She is a determined woman who doesnt want us to live paycheck to pay check. And she is the reason I work so hard. I watch her and it rubs off.
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Wow, I don't agree with your view of segregating into them vs us. Similar problem exist in other countries.
i get what you're saying...what i am saying is that the our relatively high infant mortality rate is not a failure of the US healthcare system...it is a failure of the american people to not use the services available to them...and to not care for themselves...remember ALL pregnant women who are poor qualify for medicaid...it is when they are not pregnant that they "loose the card" (but the kid does not)
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