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      02-09-2007, 02:00 PM   #177
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i been gone 4 a while .......... looks like doc got a friend .......... how cute
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one step at a time ..........one mind at a time ........... soon ...soon ........... you will defeat america doc i have faith in you .............. keep it up
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      02-09-2007, 02:18 PM   #179
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Can you name three nations that have violated Chapter VII UN Security Council Resolutions?

I can, North Korea, Iraq, and Iran.
Actually, there is the 4th one -- US (if the resolution/Chapter was written by someone else than USA)
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Do you actually read what you link to? The CNN story is about the north Koreans refusing negotiations. The The LA Times piece is an opinion piece advocating the US drop out of the Six Party talks.

Also, the Yahoo News story is about job cuts in FRANCE!!??
The company is based in France (Alcatel), the layoffs would be across the board -- meaning the USA.
Not long ago, there were huge layoffs in other US (ONLY) tech companies. Our Car Manufacturers have announced huge layoffs...
Do you really think those people are going to find jobs at Chrysler or Microsoft? Yes, they will find jobs in order to survive (like ENRON people did) and W will count it as employed...

Again, would you accept the negotiations if you had to do only what someone else tells you to do but no guarantees you would get anything back for it??? I would not, I would sit my ass and try to show my muscle as fast as I could.

Noun 1. negotiation - a discussion intended to produce an agreement;

How would you expect NK to agree to stop its only defensive mechanism if nothing was clearly promised and agreed up front.

Our administration clearly does not know the meaning of the word -- proven in Iraq...not according to me but the the rest of the World
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Can you name three nations that have violated Chapter VII UN Security Council Resolutions?

I can, North Korea, Iraq, and Iran.
I am sorry...is this the Chapter you were referring to:
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm
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If that is it...17 nations violated it since 1990:
- Iraq in 1991
- NATO in 1999 in Yugoslavia (16 nations)
- USA in 2003.

I do not see anything pointing that Iran or NK violated it at all
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doc ......... let me ask you this ......do you want us to succeed/win in iraq???
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I am sorry...is this the Chapter you were referring to:
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm
?????????

If that is it...17 nations violated it since 1990:
- Iraq in 1991
- NATO in 1999 in Yugoslavia (16 nations)
- USA in 2003.

I do not see anything pointing that Iran or NK violated it at all
UN Security Council resolutions are mandatory upon member states when issued under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. Under the UN Charter it is within the purview of the Security Council (not you) to determine when Article VII has been breached. When it makes such a finding it may demand the offending action cease by issuing a resolution under Chapter VII.

The nations that have violated Chapter VII resolutions are North Korea (UNSCR 82 in 1950), Iraq (series of resolutions from 1991-2002), and Iran (UNSCR 1696 in 2006).
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UN Security Council resolutions are mandatory upon member states when issued under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. Under the UN Charter it is within the purview of the Security Council (not you) to determine when Article VII has been breached. When it makes such a finding it may demand the offending action cease by issuing a resolution under Chapter VII.

The nations that have violated Chapter VII resolutions are North Korea (UNSCR 82 in 1950), Iraq (series of resolutions from 1991-2002), and Iran (UNSCR 1696 in 2006).

WOW!
and all that is voted by all members of UN???
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doc ......... let me ask you this ......do you want us to succeed/win in iraq???
I would like to see the success which not necessarily translates into our win.
I want to see the peace over there and people happy...hasn't happen over there in 50 years...definitely not in last 4
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