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      02-21-2010, 12:38 AM   #45
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+1 and a fully modded 335 will still run with it no doubt!
This is what I call a typical ricer math.
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      02-21-2010, 12:41 AM   #46
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I don't give a shit if a modded 335i could hang with one. I'd take the RS5 any day.
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      02-21-2010, 01:16 AM   #47
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I get what you're saying, but I still think your argument is a bit flawed. For a new car @ $50K there isn't a car out there that can touch a 335, in terms of performance, platform, and tuning potential. The N54 is that good.

As htoudiee said, with $2-3K you're into the sub 11's (Z06/Viper territory). You simply CANNOT do this with a Geo, Civic, etc... without spending over double, possibly triple what the car's worth period. The fact that with a few K a "3 series" BMW can keep up with cars like the RS5, Z06, etc....I think pretty much says it all.

Sure the RS5 comes stock with it's specs....but at how much more of a premium? $30K+? I'll take the $50K 335 + $3K in mods anyday, but that's me.
Wrong!

The new V8 Camaro SS with LS3 around $35k will destroy a 335i in terms of performance, platform, and tuning potential. And its $15k cheaper.

LSx motors > N54
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Good god more tuned N54 defense mechanisms. Just drop it. Sexy car though
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I don't give a shit if a modded 335i could hang with one. I'd take the RS5 any day.
Thinking the same thing
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      02-21-2010, 05:26 AM   #52
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You are comparing a modded car to a stock car. So what if the RS5 stock is say 500hp and then it is modded etc. Then the point that the 335i could hang with it doesn't apply anymore does it?
Or if a modded civic is modded and then the Civic guy says I can hang with the 335i, and the 335i guy will chip it and then runs away again.
The point is that if you are going to compare cars then compare stock to stock and modded to modded.
Can't really say that a 335i can run with the RS5 because you don't really know what is the engine going to be first off and if it is a FI engine than the RS5 owner could also just tune it and the 335i hanging with the RS5 for cheaper again doesn't apply.
EXACTLY..
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      02-21-2010, 05:31 AM   #53
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That's a whole different argument there. A Ferrari, is a Ferrari
Its really not though, you don't see my point and will obviously never will.
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I'm surprised by the OP's comments that 'We' have a bigger problem than just the S4 as if we all work for BMW and these rival models will somehow put you out of work and unemployed.

Guys, seriously this is great news for us the consumer because we not only have a possible new champion but will push BMW, Mercedes and any other rival to the RS5 to do better. Frankly if I had a glass of wine in my hand at the moment I would be celebrating right now.
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      02-21-2010, 08:08 AM   #55
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I wish the 3 series had seat choices like that. The one option that is a must for me on a Cayman S is the sport seats. I was really hoping that BMW Performance was going to bring us some great lightweight Recaros for an affordable price.
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      02-21-2010, 09:25 AM   #56
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Not the point, you guys always say "a modded 335i could take ______....Point is a modded anything can take "blank". Thats my point
I understand your point. I remember seeing a really old Caravan (when they were turbo 4 cyl) run 10s or something in the 1/4.

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I get what you're saying, but I still think your argument is a bit flawed. For a new car @ $50K there isn't a car out there that can touch a 335, in terms of performance, platform, and tuning potential. The N54 is that good.

As htoudiee said, with $2-3K you're into the sub 11's (Z06/Viper territory). You simply CANNOT do this with a Geo, Civic, etc... without spending over double, possibly triple what the car's worth period. The fact that with a few K a "3 series" BMW can keep up with cars like the RS5, Z06, etc....I think pretty much says it all.

Sure the RS5 comes stock with it's specs....but at how much more of a premium? $30K+? I'll take the $50K 335 + $3K in mods anyday, but that's me.
As mentioned, LSx engine, or what about an Evo? Comes stock in the 12's. $2-3k and you are still pushing past 335 with $2-3k.

The 335 is a great car (obviously I think that since I put the money into owning and keeping one), but let's be realistic and acknowledge that sometimes other cars can be better. You can add 'in some categories' if you feel like it.
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I'm surprised by the OP's comments that 'We' have a bigger problem than just the S4 as if we all work for BMW and these rival models will somehow put you out of work and unemployed.

Guys, seriously this is great news for us the consumer because we not only have a possible new champion but will push BMW, Mercedes and any other rival to the RS5 to do better. Frankly if I had a glass of wine in my hand at the moment I would be celebrating right now.
damn footie...you just keep on getting funnier and funnier!
the only thing about this RS5 worth celebrating are the seats!
This car will be under powered (in comparison to its immediate competition) and severely over priced....not to mention overweight!....
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I get what you're saying, but I still think your argument is a bit flawed. For a new car @ $50K there isn't a car out there that can touch a 335, in terms of performance, platform, and tuning potential. The N54 is that good.

As htoudiee said, with $2-3K you're into the sub 11's (Z06/Viper territory). You simply CANNOT do this with a Geo, Civic, etc... without spending over double, possibly triple what the car's worth period. The fact that with a few K a "3 series" BMW can keep up with cars like the RS5, Z06, etc....I think pretty much says it all.

Sure the RS5 comes stock with it's specs....but at how much more of a premium? $30K+? I'll take the $50K 335 + $3K in mods anyday, but that's me.
Not only do we have countless thread about the 335i vs M3 but we have ones comparing the 335i to the RS5. I love this place, it will never stop making me laugh.

Well as with those M3 comparison the same problem arises, the 335i might be able to run with the M3 and RS5 in a straight line but the rest of it's package isn't design to be the ultra performance model of the breed and thus will fail else where. In fact this comparison becomes even sillier because we aren't comparing 3series with another 3series.

I don't know what price Audi would reckon it would need to sell it in the US but it will be well shy of the new M5. And if you would much prefer a nodded 335i instead of either this or the M3 then I accept your opinion but I don't happen to agree that such a car is as good or an alternative to either of them.
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Wrong!

The new V8 Camaro SS with LS3 around $35k will destroy a 335i in terms of performance, platform, and tuning potential. And its $15k cheaper.

LSx motors > N54
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+1 and a fully modded 335 will still run with it no doubt!
Run with it yes, but its not in the same class as an RS5. Not even close
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damn footie...you just keep on getting funnier and funnier!
the only thing about this RS5 worth celebrating are the seats!
This car will be under powered (in comparison to its immediate competition) and severely over priced....not to mention overweight!....
The R8 is also underpowered, overweight, and overpriced

Strangely it still is an enthusiast favorite
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+1 and a fully modded 335 will still run with it no doubt!
Making that comment before final specs are released = fail lol

Also, they are totally different class of car. I'd rather take the 9k revving RS5 with that interior and bodywork. Those seats alone kick ass.
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Something tells me it's going to be overpriced, just like every other Audi.


Looks promising though.
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I don't give a shit if a modded 335i could hang with one. I'd take the RS5 any day.
If this hits before my lease ends, I may give it some consideration.
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If this hits before my lease ends, I may give it some consideration.
planning to move over seas?.....it aint comin to america!!!
and movin from a 328 to an RS5?!...thats a monstrous price jump!!
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The R8 is also underpowered, overweight, and overpriced

Strangely it still is an enthusiast favorite
Dont know if saying its an enthusiast choice.....real car enthusiast will choose performance and function over appearance and frills.
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