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      02-09-2010, 01:12 PM   #221
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After 6 weeks with the Vreds, my impressions are still good with one exception. The ride quality (harshness) is substantially poorer than with PS2s. Impacts in particular are strongly felt. For a daily driver this may be something people will want to consider. I know I may not get them again.
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After 6 weeks with the Vreds, my impressions are still good with one exception. The ride quality (harshness) is substantially poorer than with PS2s. Impacts in particular are strongly felt. For a daily driver this may be something people will want to consider. I know I may not get them again.
Greg, your impressions are usually pretty consistent with mine, but I haven't noticed that at all. I also commute on some pretty sub-standard roads on my commute route into DC.

[EDIT: Do you have an EDC-equipped car?]
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After 6 weeks with the Vreds, my impressions are still good with one exception. The ride quality (harshness) is substantially poorer than with PS2s. Impacts in particular are strongly felt. For a daily driver this may be something people will want to consider. I know I may not get them again.
This might be caused by much stiffer sidewalls the Vreds have compared to the PS2s- but this is also why the response is sharper than the mushy sidewall PS2s

I don't mind the ride since performance is my goal, but for those concerned with the ride the PS2s might be a little smoother and soak up bumps better. Maybe it is the cars I drive or the tires I use but I didn't notice that the ride was much worse. But, with the sidewall differences I saw when the PS2s were removed and the Vreds were installed, I am inclined there will be a difference- negligible for me.
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After 6 weeks with the Vreds, my impressions are still good with one exception. The ride quality (harshness) is substantially poorer than with PS2s. Impacts in particular are strongly felt. For a daily driver this may be something people will want to consider. I know I may not get them again.
I have the same impression with the impacts. It's not a deal breaker for me, but it is different than the PS2.
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+1.

I have them on now for about 800miles. They handle as good as the PS/2.
They were great in the wet (SoCal had some rain last/this month....) But I can't compare them to the PS/2 because I didn't drive the PS/2 in the wet.

As I wrote before the Verds are just a bit louder than the PS/2 when you hit a bump/rail tracks/bad road/etc. Stiffer sidewalls will do that.

But it is all good. I might take the M3 to Cal Speedway (Friday 3/12 with NASA) for a track day next month. I will post on-track impressions.

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What about everyday ride comfort? Are these tyres way harsher in everyday commuting (and over bumps) versus the PS2s?
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What about everyday ride comfort? Are these tyres way harsher in everyday commuting (and over bumps) versus the PS2s?
That's my impression (post 229 above). Not terrible, but significantly harsher than the PS2s.
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That's my impression (post 229 above). Not terrible, but significantly harsher than the PS2s.
Seems that there is general consensus that the Vreds are better tyres overall vs the PS2s at the expense of some ride comfort (probably more evident in slow city driving).

I am trying to figure out how much this is and if I will be able to live with it. I occasionally track my M3, and most of the remaining time I do 40% highway and/or spirited driving, and 60% city driving. So 60% of milage in the city is a bit too much for me to ignore if the ride discomfort is potentially "major".

Question is how annoying can this be, which I guess is a bit hard to quantify over the internet!
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Might be my next set
I just ordered 2 sets,
275/35/18 square for autox/track (new Apex ARC-8 18x10 rims)
255/35/18, 275/35/18 for DD

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I'll post some reviews/pics pretty soon.
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I agree that the Vreds are somewhat harsh and noisy when compared to the PS2s, but, after 800 miles, the performance is equal to or better than the PS2s. One thing I have noticed is that the Vreds take awhile to break in. I don't remember this being the case with the PS2s.
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One thing I have noticed is that the Vreds take awhile to break in. I don't remember this being the case with the PS2s.
All tires take at least a couple hundred miles to get rid of the mold release compound and scuff them up a bit.
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I didn't get real grip until about 800 miles.

For me, the harshness/noise is not a deal breaker at all.
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Hey Everyone,
I have H&R springs and 15mm spacers with OEM rims all around. Is 275/23/19's going to rub in the back with this setup? I feel that 265's in the back is tight already. What do you think I should do change the spacers?
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Hey Everyone,
I have H&R springs and 15mm spacers with OEM rims all around. Is 275/23/19's going to rub in the back with this setup? I feel that 265's in the back is tight already. What do you think I should do change the spacers?
Thanks for you help!
Yes, you can go thinner on the spacers if needed. Try them out before you decide on the size, though.
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Thanks! Do you think I can get away with 255/35/19's on the front?
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just got two 255/30/20 ultrac sessantas today! they are beautiful and I cant wait to get them on the Klassen

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I've got about 300 miles on these now, 200 miles highway up/down from LA. I pushed them a bit this weekend. Here's my opinion so far..

- Definitely hear more road noise than the PS2's, though that may decrease as they wear in.
- Cornering, squealing a fair bit, but I don't think they're broken in fully yet.
- Stickiness/Confidence, I took my regular freeway interchange at the same speed as I would with the PS2s and these felt as good.
- turn in, these tires are crisp, I'm running 275 all around, but sidewalls definitely feel stiffer. I used to get that rollover on sharp turns with the PS2's, I get the squealies with the vreds, but not the squirrelies.
-Looks, might be just the new rims, but today I got 2 compliments about how "sick" the car looked. Stock except apex Arc-8 18x10 rims and the 275/35/18 vreds. M3s are common in my area.

I have autox next weekend on this setup and hope to get a track day in very soon, so I'll post back.
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Damn...Tires Easy are out of 255/35/19s. Where else can I get these? Performance Tires charges too much for shipping and tax.

Would 255/40s work up front?
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Thx for the informative review. More road noise than the PS2's, eh? That's surprising. I am running the kook ventus evos and they are definitely quieter yet just as grippy.

I was planning to get the Vreds on my extra set of OEM 19's....

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I've got about 300 miles on these now, 200 miles highway up/down from LA. I pushed them a bit this weekend. Here's my opinion so far..

- Definitely hear more road noise than the PS2's, though that may decrease as they wear in.
- Cornering, squealing a fair bit, but I don't think they're broken in fully yet.
- Stickiness/Confidence, I took my regular freeway interchange at the same speed as I would with the PS2s and these felt as good.
- turn in, these tires are crisp, I'm running 275 all around, but sidewalls definitely feel stiffer. I used to get that rollover on sharp turns with the PS2's, I get the squealies with the vreds, but not the squirrelies.
-Looks, might be just the new rims, but today I got 2 compliments about how "sick" the car looked. Stock except apex Arc-8 18x10 rims and the 275/35/18 vreds. M3s are common in my area.

I have autox next weekend on this setup and hope to get a track day in very soon, so I'll post back.
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I've got about 300 miles on these now, 200 miles highway up/down from LA. I pushed them a bit this weekend. Here's my opinion so far..

- Definitely hear more road noise than the PS2's, though that may decrease as they wear in.
- Cornering, squealing a fair bit, but I don't think they're broken in fully yet.
- Stickiness/Confidence, I took my regular freeway interchange at the same speed as I would with the PS2s and these felt as good.
- turn in, these tires are crisp, I'm running 275 all around, but sidewalls definitely feel stiffer. I used to get that rollover on sharp turns with the PS2's, I get the squealies with the vreds, but not the squirrelies.
-Looks, might be just the new rims, but today I got 2 compliments about how "sick" the car looked. Stock except apex Arc-8 18x10 rims and the 275/35/18 vreds. M3s are common in my area.

I have autox next weekend on this setup and hope to get a track day in very soon, so I'll post back.
That squealing should go away with a few more miles. I was surprised by that when I started pushing my tires around 500 miles on them. Lately I haven't heard it much and the stick is very good. They were great in the rain recently. During some hard pulls after a turn that would normally engage traction control with the PS2, it was just pulling with the Vreds. Obviously there are different conditions, but it was a turn I've driven with the PS2 many times in the rain.
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Thx for the informative review. More road noise than the PS2's, eh? That's surprising. I am running the kook ventus evos and they are definitely quieter yet just as grippy.

I was planning to get the Vreds on my extra set of OEM 19's....
Well they are "right out of the box" so maybe they'll get better with wear. The stiffer sidewalls definitely transmit more of the road feeling upwards.
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Thx for the informative review. More road noise than the PS2's, eh? That's surprising. I am running the kook ventus evos and they are definitely quieter yet just as grippy.
I don't notice any more road noise with the Vreds compared to PS2s, just slightly more ride harshness.
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