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      11-08-2006, 09:54 PM   #23
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well i am an immigrant and i am the only one who speaks english in my family except my younger brother
bottom line, i dont get things for free.
most people think it is ridiculous and even i would laugh if someone writes such things like this but whatever, truth is truth.
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      11-08-2006, 10:19 PM   #24
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Agreed, truth is truth. Good job for you man...and hopefully your success continues.
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      11-09-2006, 08:10 AM   #25
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you kidding?!
why is it SO EXPENSIVE OVER THERE?!
how much is M5 if you get it from germany?

back on topic, i am from Fairfax County in Virginia. 2nd richest county in US :rocks:
i dont know about actual average income but i know that its up there
Well, one of the reasons is very heavy government. Out of a population of about 5 million+ over 700.000 people work for the government directly or indirectly. Sick. Other reasons are just too political and detailed to get into.

I know fairfax county well. I used to live right next to Reston Town Center. And back then it was the richest county in the US by average income of about $350k (I believe)

The only problem was they had the local police going to bars and busting people for being drunk in a bar! It was a huge outcry few years back there... I guess they stopped doing it after that...

M5 will be same or more expensive if you get it from Germany, because the car taxes will be applied to any self-imported cars as well.

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      11-09-2006, 09:16 AM   #26
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Well, one of the reasons is very heavy government. Out of a population of about 5 million+ over 700.000 people work for the government directly or indirectly. Sick. Other reasons are just too political and detailed to get into.

I know fairfax county well. I used to live right next to Reston Town Center. And back then it was the richest county in the US by average income of about $350k (I believe)

The only problem was they had the local police going to bars and busting people for being drunk in a bar! It was a huge outcry few years back there... I guess they stopped doing it after that...

M5 will be same or more expensive if you get it from Germany, because the car taxes will be applied to any self-imported cars as well.

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dang that kind of sucks...:/
before i come to US, i was thinking of germany as well but since my uncle lived around here, we decided to come to US instead of germany.
well, i am going to germany this summer or next summer my dad got to go to germany and went to BMW dealer? factory?

anyone has done european delivery? i heard it is quite fun
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      11-13-2006, 07:16 PM   #27
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Truth of the matter is, of any major country, US is the cheapest to buy cars and gasoline in. And also, the income levels are way higher and taxes way lower than any other developed nation. This doesn't account few mid-eastern nations that have oil as their national reserve, but counting them out, US wins hands down. Easiest measure is the gross national product per citizen, which is about double in the US that it is in most European countries.

For example, in my line of work I could easily make (and made) $200k + $100k bonuses a year in the US, but I'm pressed to make even $150k with bonuses in Europe. And the car taxes and gas prices are more or less insane in most European countries.

If you have any level of education, (if you're a lawyer, doctor or such) you can make $600k to $1M a year in the US. Not even close in Europe. The US has a true middle class, most of Europe does not, or it is "lower middle" class.

In any European country you as a BMW tech could only dream of purchasing a new E92 M3. Most of the BMW techs I know drive either very old M cars (10 years or older) and have tuned the heck out of them, or drive regular BMW's such as 130i, E46 330Ci etc.

A USED 2004 545i driven 30k miles goes for around 70.000 euros (about $80.000) over here.

New M5 is 130.000 euros with base options, new M6 is 170.000 euros with base options. A Ferrari F430 (one in this country registered at this time) is about 250-350.000 euros depending on the options.

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Still i was surprised to see so many nice cars when i was in Europe. Especially Germany. Yeah America you can make money regarless of class. Although America is becoming really corrupt now. You have FDA, EPA trying to regulate your life. It's a free country for Gods sake.
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      11-13-2006, 08:13 PM   #28
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They regulate our lives, so that we have one. Can you imagine all of the pollution that was going around in the early 90's if we had the same amount all the way till today, we wouldn't even be able to see a mile down the road.

However, its okay for auto enthusiast to run less restrictive exhausts, because they aren't so abundant.
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      11-21-2006, 04:23 PM   #29
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Man, you guys in the US and the UK don't know how lucky you are... cars and running them in Ireland is an expensive business.

I bought a 2 year old base model E46 M3 about 2 years ago and I paid $78k for the car, a standard E46 M3 new in Ireland is $125k.

I'm 27, (25 at the time of owning the M3) and the insurance was $3700k per year and the road tax here is $1635 per year!!

My family live in Tampa and my father bought an E60 M5 earlier this year (sweet car, my wife and I took it on a road trip from Tampa to Miami up to Orlando and back to Tampa earlier this year). He paid $2k less than I paid for my new 330d here in Ireland. $94k v's $96k

A new E60 M5 in Ireland is $200k + options.

Don't even get me started on the difference in the price of Gas!!
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      11-22-2006, 10:23 AM   #30
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I think when or if I decide to sell the ///M3 that I'll ship it over to Europe or Dubai and sell it for the same price I bought it for. I didn't know the prices and taxes where so high, I feel very fortunate to own one.

If you working here in the US could you buy an ///M3 and ship it to the country your living in???
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      11-22-2006, 09:12 PM   #31
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Ok everyone sit down and hold on..................
Australian Prices including on road cost
m3 e46 $A165,000

new M5 $A247,000 yes a 1/4 of a mill

new m6 $A280,000

My new m3 e92 will prolly cost me 170,000 on a lease ...yikes
just curious though, are we talking about same currency in dollars?
it doesnt seem like you have converted them into USD
cant be that bad?
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We covered this on the e60 forums, we took a base M5 from each country and converted the price to US dollars after tax, so an on the road price, these are the results.....

1. Thailand 401,069 USD (15 Million Baht)
2. Denmark 300,742 USD(DKK1,757,000)
3. Singapore USD 288,000.00 (SGD 460,000.00)
4. Brazil 280,487 USD
5. Egypt approx. 280,000 USD
6. Norway approx. 260000 USD
7. Taiwan 225000 USD
8. China approx. 216,500 USD
9. Ireland approx 198,000 US
10. Hong Kong 190,913 USD (1,480,000 HKD)
11. Korea approx 181700 USD (168,900,000 WON)
12. Portugal 168,147 USD (134518 Euros)
13. The Netherlands 164,000 USD
14. Dubai 160,000 USD
15. Greece 150,500 USD
16. Poland 140,800 USD (422,500 PLN)
17. France 123,571 USD (97300 Euros)
18. UK 118,461 USD
19. Sweden 116,100 USD (SEK 850 000)
20. Belgium 113,500 USD
21. Czech Republic (Europe) 112,500 USD
22. Germany 110,750 USD
23. Canada 104,790 USD (115500 CAD)
24. USA 81,895
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We covered this on the e60 forums, we took a base M5 from each country and converted the price to US dollars after tax, so an on the road price, these are the results.....

1. Thailand 401,069 USD (15 Million Baht)
2. Denmark 300,742 USD(DKK1,757,000)
3. Singapore USD 288,000.00 (SGD 460,000.00)
4. Brazil 280,487 USD
5. Egypt approx. 280,000 USD
6. Norway approx. 260000 USD
7. Taiwan 225000 USD
8. China approx. 216,500 USD
9. Ireland approx 198,000 US
10. Hong Kong 190,913 USD (1,480,000 HKD)
11. Korea approx 181700 USD (168,900,000 WON)
12. Portugal 168,147 USD (134518 Euros)
13. The Netherlands 164,000 USD
14. Dubai 160,000 USD
15. Greece 150,500 USD
16. Poland 140,800 USD (422,500 PLN)
17. France 123,571 USD (97300 Euros)
18. UK 118,461 USD
19. Sweden 116,100 USD (SEK 850 000)
20. Belgium 113,500 USD
21. Czech Republic (Europe) 112,500 USD
22. Germany 110,750 USD
23. Canada 104,790 USD (115500 CAD)
24. USA 81,895
Finland would come at 12th place with $176k E60 M5 base price (135.700 euros) - though this is on todays USD exchange rate, which just took another dive in relation to Euro.

But you have to remember that the base options differ somewhat. Though not that much on the M5.

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