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      12-07-2009, 05:05 PM   #111
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I own a 2007 Audi A4 (besides the M3) and thinking about trading it in for the S4. I testdrove both the 6sp and the DSG last weekend and they are nice cars. It's not an M3, but it will serve better as a DD car. I would not take it to the track though.
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      12-19-2009, 12:10 PM   #112
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To add fuel to the fire. Hope this isn't a repost.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/28/r...is-underrated/
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      12-19-2009, 12:13 PM   #113
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The rule of thumb is that any piece of relevant information from a well known media outlet that is over one day old is a repost.

In seriousness, I am not sure I saw a reference to that on this forum, but I think I did.

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To add fuel to the fire. Hope this isn't a repost.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/28/r...is-underrated/
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      12-19-2009, 12:48 PM   #114
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The rule of thumb is that any piece of relevant information from a well known media outlet that is over one day old is a repost.

In seriousness, I am not sure I saw a reference to that on this forum, but I think I did.
I got called into the lab today, so I figured maybe I'll get some entertainment out of this.

On a side note, doesn't surprise me we see another FI motor being underrated from the factory.
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      12-19-2009, 01:21 PM   #115
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I got called into the lab today, so I figured maybe I'll get some entertainment out of this.

On a side note, doesn't surprise me we see another FI motor being underrated from the factory.
FI engine are more effected by heat so they are tested to meet quoted output at high temps up to 35c, so the lower you go the more they produce accordingly. The only thing I have wrong with that report was the percentage of drivetrain lose, 20% is excessive for a quattro.
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      12-19-2009, 04:02 PM   #116
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      12-19-2009, 04:31 PM   #117
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when will the rs5 be release, the car platform is beautiful, it will be a beast, that's the straight competitor for the M, although it will be better, since audi is the last one to enter new cars it already has a benchmark with the M3
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when will the rs5 be release, the car platform is beautiful, it will be a beast, that's the straight competitor for the M, although it will be better, since audi is the last one to enter new cars it already has a benchmark with the M3
I think Europe can expect it spring/summer next year, Audi are renowned for setting a date and that date coming and going. It very hard to read what type of car the RS5 will be, if you look at the S5 then it will be old school Audi which is competent and quick but less involving or exciting to drive than an M3, but if you look at the R8 and to a lesser extent the S4 than it might possibly just give the M3 a run for it's money on pure excitement.

There is little doubt that the M3 was there benchmark and only time will tell if they have succeeded in knocking it off the top.
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      12-19-2009, 07:26 PM   #119
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I think Europe can expect it spring/summer next year, Audi are renowned for setting a date and that date coming and going. It very hard to read what type of car the RS5 will be, if you look at the S5 then it will be old school Audi which is competent and quick but less involving or exciting to drive than an M3, but if you look at the R8 and to a lesser extent the S4 than it might possibly just give the M3 a run for it's money on pure excitement.

There is little doubt that the M3 was there benchmark and only time will tell if they have succeeded in knocking it off the top.
The 335i is better than both anyways so what's the point of speculating about some "RS5"? LOL!
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      12-20-2009, 05:33 AM   #120
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The 335i is better than both anyways so what's the point of speculating about some "RS5"? LOL!
In which one of the many tuning forms are you talking, oh and are you talking about 335i or 335xi?
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      12-20-2009, 08:27 AM   #121
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I know the 335i is far superioir above the M3 engine















Lets start a new thread
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      10-29-2012, 02:06 AM   #122
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I have two friends who each have the M3 and the S4, and coming from someone who has a really modded 335i, the m3 ate the S4 in every performance aspect (cornering ability, raw power, responsiveness, braking, etc) they are two different levels of car, in my opinion.
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      10-29-2012, 05:37 AM   #123
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I know the 335i is far superioir above the M3 engine















Lets start a new thread
That's why the new M3 has a n55 based engine : P
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      10-29-2012, 04:12 PM   #124
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Lol! Holy thread revival!!!
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      10-29-2012, 04:38 PM   #125
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      10-29-2012, 05:29 PM   #126
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I had a 2011 S4 with about every option. I liked the torque of the supercharged engine and this allowed it to pull away without much effort. The DSG was also very nice and the quattro was great for all seasons. I sold the car to my parents and purchased a 2012 M3. I feel that the M3 is much more aggressive and I appreciate the steering and suspension of the M3, which I feel is much sportier. I also have a 2011 Cayenne S, and when placed in sport mode the steering and suspension feels on the same level as the S4. However, after driving the M3, the Porsche feels loose and not as connected. Granted it's an SUV, but the M3 made it feel this way, whereas the S4 never felt any more capable than the Porsche. I would definitely recommend the M3 as being a more involving and memorable experience compared to the S4. This doesn't mean the S4 is bad by any means, as the S4 is still an excellent vehicle.
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      10-29-2012, 06:41 PM   #127
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Drove a 13 s4 and loved it. Great daily car I would feel and all the tech is cool too but m3 is just better. But it should be because they are different levels of cars
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      10-31-2012, 10:42 PM   #128
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I almost bought a 2013 S4 until I came across my M3 sedan and had to jump on it.

I like the S4, it's a great car, but it's definitely a completely different animal when compared to the M3. My one biggest gripe with the S4 is that even I would mistake an A4 for an S4 from a distance most of the time. The lack of distinction with the exterior between the models drove me nuts. It's just not aggressive enough when compared to the A4.
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      11-04-2012, 08:39 AM   #129
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I recently traded in an M3 for an S4. Here's my perspective (which I posted on an Audi board):

I recently traded in a 2009 BMW M3 sedan for a 2013 Audi S4 and I couldn't be happier with the decision. Since I live in Washington, DC where most of my driving has 35 MPH speed limits, I think the S4 suits my needs better. For most of my driving, I would say I like the S4 much more. I only have 1 car at a time and I just don't think the M3 is a great "only car." The S4 just seems to be a great total package...I love it! Sure, maybe it's not as fast as the M3 (or C63, etc.), but it's fast enough for me. Maybe I'm getting older, but I don't feel as much of a need to get one of the fastest cars out there anymore.

Pictures of both rides attached...

Here's my take on the S4 versus M3 (in no particular order):
1) Gas consumption (S4 hands down): I averaged 12.7 MPG with the M3 in the city and I didn't drive very aggressively. I'm averaging about 18 MPG with the S4. I know the M3's V8 is thirsty, but the tank isn't very big and gassing up all the time annoyed me.
2) Daily driving (S4 hands down): Maybe not the best comaparison since the M3 has a 6-speed, but the S4's dual-clutch transmission is awesome and super smooth. In the city, the S4 is better with more low-end torque. I find it easier to pull away at a stoplight with the S4. M3 is fast for sure, but you need to really rev the engine and it gets loud... Quick story: 3 weeks after getting the M3, I got pulled over. I was at a stoplight and gunned it when the light turned green. I get pulled over by a US Park Service or Secret Service Cop (can't remember which one...wasn't a DC cop) because he said he heard me accelerating although he didn't clock me. He said I was probably doing 50 MPH in a 30 MPH zone...get off with a warning, but the bottom line is that the M3 gets loud at high RPM. The M3 engine sounds great, but the loudness did get somewhat annoying if I was just running errands.
3) Spirited driving: somewhat of a toss-up (I'm no weekend racer and don't go to the track). While the handling/feel of the M3 seems superior, I love the Audi transmission and quattro. There's no doubt that the M3 would probably crush the S4, but in terms of "driving satisfaction," they're both really fun to drive. M3 is faster and pulls harder, but you need to really rev the M3 hard (and on public roads, you can't do that much)
4) Exterior styling (toss-up): both beautiful in their own ways, although I had the Metallic Jerez Black with the M3, which was gorgeous. S4's grey is somewhat common, but I do like all the LED lights.
5) Interior styling (S4 hands down). M3 was pretty basic...
6) Features (S4, but not a fair comparison): my M3 didn't have too many options, while the S4 has the NAV, back-up camera, etc. Living in DC, it's awesome having a rear back-up camera and that's not even an option with the current M3.
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