Choosing DCT over 6MT (meta-analysis) - Page 2

drvai · 02-04-2008, 05:29 PM

Wouldn't the traction control in the M dynamic mode be as helpful as Launch control to launch the car with a MT??

swamp2 · 02-04-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mx3

My Top 6:
1. Performance (quicker acceleration)

2. Versatility (3 ways to drive, paddle shift, full auto, or gear shifting sequentially)
3. Ease for traffic driving
4. No clutch depression bodes well for not worsening my chronic back issue any further
5. Less shifting effort than in MT allows you to concerntrate on others things as you rapidly go through the gears and allows you to pay better attention on redline shifting etc..
6. Launch Control

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Originally Posted by sayemthree

1. for the less skilled driver

2. for the video game kids

3. for those tha must work for a living

4. for the eldrerly

5. for the those with poor concentration

6. again for the less skilled video gamers. but rally I am jealous cause BMW could provide a launch control for the 6MT.

1. For those that truly want to go and be faster, strip, track and street.
2. Who the heck wouldn't one want an automatic like tranny SOMETIMES.
3. See #2
4. If it works better for some, all the better.
5. See #1 above.
6. See #1 above - consistency is the name of the game in launching and I am sorry but computers can do it better than you. Now whether or not the US get a crippled LC, that is another matter. If so it will likely be something one can circumvent with software.

drvai · 02-04-2008, 07:35 PM

Ok. I will stick with the 6 speed. Launch control is the only big pro I see. I can confidently drive a manual (all my cars have been manuals), so the rest won't be a problem. (but I understand the people that want a secuential/auto gearbox... there is nothing wrong with that).

burrito007 · 02-04-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by drvai

Well, thats why I had the idea of a meta-analysis.

do you even know what a meta-analysis is?

JoB01 · 02-05-2008, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by swamp2

Advantages of DCT(not in any particular order, except the first):

DCT is THE single option that will make the car have better performance, straights and twisties (it is very close to a 6MT with 440 hp and 320 ft lb torque)
DCT is customizeable through software (perhaps both BMW and other)
Manual modes via paddles and stick and automatic mode for traffic jams, comfort or inexperienced drivers
DCT allows one to focus on more cerebral and challenging aspects of performance driving
DCT provides better fuel economy
Launch control should be fun, fast and consistent
No "money shifts" with DCT
DCT is race technology for the road and BMW claims it is designed for race level "abuse"
Rev matched downshifts
The inherently smooth shifts with DCT may provide less shock and better wear of some transmission components
Clutch pedals are so 1950s

Advantages of MT:

Simplicity and perhaps reliability
False pride in your rowing abilities enabled by MT

for DCT-
plus knowing you've got the technologically best M3 available.... after all, that's the point right?

mrtm2005 · 02-05-2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

I'm going 6MT. The double-clutch seems completely linear and you don't get that shift (rush) you would with the SMG. I think it will take some character out of the shifting excitement, although it will be incredible fast. Just my 2 cents.

Do you feel this will be the same when down shifting when it's rev matching? The one thing I love about my SMG is when I down shift coming to a light & hear that "Roar" when it goes from 3rd to 2nd & from like 3500 RPM to like 7000 RPM!

Aidso · 02-05-2008, 06:36 AM

I still think its more fun to be able to H&T on the downchange. DCT is very tempting but the higher cost and the fact its auto rules it out for me.

swamp2 · 02-05-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aidso

I still think its more fun to be able to H&T on the downchange. DCT is very tempting but the higher cost and the fact its auto rules it out for me.

Neither M-DCT nor VW/Audi DSG are automatics.

They are almost identical to a manual transmission, less the whole two clutches thing. The commonly used term to decribe these is "automated manual" which is a perfect term becuase it is a manual and the clutching and lever pulling are automated. Don't forget you will be able to shift purely manually (no shifts except those to prevent stalling) where every shift is ONLY initiated by a paddle or the lever, OR put it in automatic mode which will behave practically like an automatic although lighter, smoother, more efficient, faster, etc.

red998 · 12-11-2009, 03:46 AM

this is not a meta analysis. it is very misleading.

MachineDriver · 12-11-2009, 07:53 AM

I meta-chose the DCT.

I got the DCT cuz I don't like slushboxes. Launch control is silly. I drive in manual mode 90% of the time. I'll put it in D when I'm on the highway. Luxury GTs are more luxurious when you don't have to shift in a traffic jam. I really like the DCT in snow/ice.

Ken37.73 · 12-11-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by drvai

Ok. I will stick with the 6 speed. Launch control is the only big pro I see. I can confidently drive a manual (all my cars have been manuals), so the rest won't be a problem. (but I understand the people that want a secuential/auto gearbox... there is nothing wrong with that).

Man that is funny. You must have gotten 100 suggestions for DCT !!!

6MT - Keepin' it real ........

dawgdog · 12-11-2009, 06:24 PM

I drove a stick for my first 20 years of driving but not the last 24. I can drive a stick but don't feel I have enough years left to master heel and toe. The most fun I have with this or any other car is on the track, and on the track dct is almost like cheating. There are plently of other challenges of high performance driving that will keep my engaged indefinitely.

I have no real interest in launch control. Not a drag racer.

My biggest concern with dct is what if something goes wrong after the warranty expires. Probably will force me to purchase an extended warranty or a different car.

Mark's M · 12-11-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by drvai

Hi!!

I know this has been discussed, but I was wondering if the people that are choosing the DCT can summarize the reason of their decision.
I have always been a MT person, and really get bored when I don't have a clutch, but if there are reasonable facts maybe I will have to go for the DCT. For example, the launch control feature is something I really would like to have.

For my "soon to be a reality" coupe and after driving both (and loving both BTW), I'm going with the M/T, totally against my original thoughts on what I'd be ordering.

And as far as "launch control" goes, for me it's a matter of common sense, a little driving "savy" and of course a little coordination between the left foot, the right foot and a few snicks of your right (left for my friends in the U.K) hand. No computer required!!

Mark

chungdae · 12-11-2009, 07:40 PM

1. It's faster.
2. I live in Miami, the traffic is beyond horrendous.
3. The wifey can drive it.
4. It's engineering at its best.

mkoesel · 12-11-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by red998

this is not a meta analysis. it is very misleading.

Perhaps you are right. But I'll point out that you might have taken some solace in the fact that it was a near-two-year-old discussion and would likely have stayed buried for all but the most determined searchers. Now, though, it's back out in the open for all to see.

red998 · 12-12-2009, 10:12 PM

yeah i didn t expect anyone to chime in- funny.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 12-12-2009, 10:35 PM

DCT>6MT

MVF4Rrider · 12-12-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by K3N R3D

Plus F1 technology in a street car is totally amazing. The list goes on and on.

F1 technology? Try Audi technology. F1 gearboxes are not dual clutch. SMG shares more with F1 than DCT.

chmura · 12-12-2009, 11:02 PM

MT all the way I do not care of the DCT shifts in a nano second. Not having a clutch is just boring and takes away the true enjoyment of a sports car.

URBAN LEGEND · 12-12-2009, 11:08 PM

I didn't know MT still existed. Do you want a carb with that as well.

MVF4Rrider · 12-12-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chmura

MT all the way I do not care of the DCT shifts in a nano second. Not having a clutch is just boring and takes away the true enjoyment of a sports car.

I don't think you'd find DCT boring at the Nurburgring, especially while downshifting while hard braking. There's a reason all serious GT racers use sequential gearboxes these days.

VanM3Lover · 12-12-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

I'm going 6MT. The double-clutch seems completely linear and you don't get that shift (rush) you would with the SMG. I think it will take some character out of the shifting excitement, although it will be incredible fast. Just my 2 cents.

This is exactly why I prefer the SMG and the Lambo EGear to the DCT and PDK in the Porsche. I love the jerkiness when the car shifts during full acceleration. With each shift, you're being slammed in the back rest so hard, love that feeling.
Lambo eGear, just look at how Jeremy Clarkson is pushed back at 2:55.

12-11-2009, 07:53 AM	#32
MachineDriver Family Man Drives: '09 E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 156 iTrader: (0)	I meta-chose the DCT. I got the DCT cuz I don't like slushboxes. Launch control is silly. I drive in manual mode 90% of the time. I'll put it in D when I'm on the highway. Luxury GTs are more luxurious when you don't have to shift in a traffic jam. I really like the DCT in snow/ice. __________________ '09 E92 M3 - '99 M Coupe

12-11-2009, 06:24 PM	#34
dawgdog Colonel Drives: 08 e92 M3 dct Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle, Wa. Posts: 2,075 iTrader: (0)	I drove a stick for my first 20 years of driving but not the last 24. I can drive a stick but don't feel I have enough years left to master heel and toe. The most fun I have with this or any other car is on the track, and on the track dct is almost like cheating. There are plently of other challenges of high performance driving that will keep my engaged indefinitely. I have no real interest in launch control. Not a drag racer. My biggest concern with dct is what if something goes wrong after the warranty expires. Probably will force me to purchase an extended warranty or a different car. __________________ AW on Fox Red Extended, Alum trim, ZPP, ZTP, DCT, 19" wheels, Heated front seats, HD radio, Sat radio, I-pod & usb, Premium sound, AP racing BBK, 18 Volk Racing TE 37s, Akrapovic Evolution exhaust, AST suspension

12-12-2009, 11:08 PM	#42
URBAN LEGEND Champ Drives: '13 M5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: GA Posts: 1,168 iTrader: (0)	I didn't know MT still existed. Do you want a carb with that as well. __________________ 2013 M5 2011 550i-Sold and not missed 2009 M3-What a machine.

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02-04-2008, 05:29 PM	#23
drvai Major Drives: E92 M3 AW Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: FL Posts: 1,209 iTrader: (0)	Wouldn't the traction control in the M dynamic mode be as helpful as Launch control to launch the car with a MT??

02-04-2008, 07:35 PM	#25
drvai Major Drives: E92 M3 AW Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: FL Posts: 1,209 iTrader: (0)	Ok. I will stick with the 6 speed. Launch control is the only big pro I see. I can confidently drive a manual (all my cars have been manuals), so the rest won't be a problem. (but I understand the people that want a secuential/auto gearbox... there is nothing wrong with that).

02-05-2008, 06:36 AM	#29
Aidso Private Drives: Renaultsport Clio Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 52 iTrader: (0)	I still think its more fun to be able to H&T on the downchange. DCT is very tempting but the higher cost and the fact its auto rules it out for me.

12-11-2009, 03:46 AM	#31
red998 First Lieutenant Drives: E92 SG '10 6MT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hudson County Posts: 387 iTrader: (0)	this is not a meta analysis. it is very misleading.

12-11-2009, 07:40 PM	#36
chungdae The Asian Sensation Drives: 2009 Alpine White M3, S1000RR Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 697 iTrader: (2)	1. It's faster. 2. I live in Miami, the traffic is beyond horrendous. 3. The wifey can drive it. 4. It's engineering at its best.

12-12-2009, 10:12 PM	#38
red998 First Lieutenant Drives: E92 SG '10 6MT Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hudson County Posts: 387 iTrader: (0)	yeah i didn t expect anyone to chime in- funny.

12-12-2009, 11:02 PM	#41
chmura First Lieutenant Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 351 iTrader: (1)	MT all the way I do not care of the DCT shifts in a nano second. Not having a clutch is just boring and takes away the true enjoyment of a sports car.