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      11-05-2009, 05:41 PM   #89
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Here are the official results:
1. Cadillac CTS-V (John Heinricy): 2:46:560
2. Cadillac CTS-V (Brian Redman): 2:49:183
3. Cadillac CTS-V (Aaron Link): 2:48:902
4. BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424
5. Cadillac CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153
6. Cadillac CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026
7. Cadillac CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321
8. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (Wes Siler): 3:08.126
9. BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989
10. Cadillac CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292
11. Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702
12. Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670

So to all those that say it took a professional driver to beat a privateer: where was the factory support for BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Jaguar? GM put the challenge out to anyone that wanted to submit a stock vehicle and Mitsubishi was the only one to step-up.
And here are the results of the actual competition participants.
1. BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424
2. Cadillac CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153
3. Cadillac CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026
4. Cadillac CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321
5. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (Wes Siler): 3:08.126
6. BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989
7. Cadillac CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292
8. Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702
9. Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670


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I don't think any of this really means anything. It was really more a measure of driver talent than anything else.
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I don't think any of this really means anything. It was really more a measure of driver talent than anything else.
I agree, but even if you want to be conservative about the results, it says that the Caddy is offering an M5 like package for M3 money.
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      11-06-2009, 01:20 AM   #92
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LS9 has to be the best engine Gm has ever made!!!!
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LS9 has to be the best engine Gm has ever made!!!!

That's the 560Hp LSA in the CTS-V, it's not the full blown LS9. They're very similar, but the LSA has a smaller blower, and a standard oiling system instead of the dry sump on the ZR1.
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That's the 560Hp LSA in the CTS-V, it's not the full blown LS9. They're very similar, but the LSA has a smaller blower, and a standard oiling system instead of the dry sump on the ZR1.
Any idea why they didn't go with the full blown LS9 setup? Seems to me if they wanted the true track sedan, the oil sump changes would of been quite beneficial.
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Here's the best part: Anyone who happens to own a new comparable sport sedan, such as a BMW M3 or M5, perhaps a Mercedes-Benz AMG sedan or the Audi S4 (not to mention the Mitsubishi Evolution), is welcome to submit themselves for consideration ...
Really, an S4? Yeah that would be a close match. Maybe they meant RS4.
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Any idea why they didn't go with the full blown LS9 setup? Seems to me if they wanted the true track sedan, the oil sump changes would of been quite beneficial.

I don't think they ever intended this to be a full-on track car. I mean really, who buys a large four door luxury car with serious track intentions? I would imagine that the dry sump only comes into play with extremely high cornering Gs that the Z06 and ZR1 are capable of. The C5 Z06 had some oil pressure issues in heavy track use that GM addressed with the C6. I'm guessing it will never be a problem on the Caddy, as it's not capable of those kind of cornering forces.
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An M3 or M5 driven by a BMW pro would not likely have beaten the CTS-V by a significant enough margin to show that the CTS-V is not a legitimate player in this class. The CTS-V is clearly close enough. A narrow win would only legitimize the CTS-V, and that's not likely something BMW would want to do.
Secondly, we don't know what their driver schedules are like. There could be a conflict in the schedules. That was a reason given as to why Jim Mero was chosen to drive the ZR1 for its fastest lap, and not a racer like Jan Magnussen (who is confident he can easily shave 7 seconds from Mero's time).

The fact that BMW could have chosen Stuck or any number of development drivers to drive the M5, yet chose Auberlen who had never even driven the car, tells us how seriously they took the R&T challenge. In other words, not too seriously. Or, Stuck's schedule wouldn't allow it.
Hans Stuck doesn't work for BMW anymore. He now works for Volkswagen.
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Hans Stuck doesn't work for BMW anymore. He now works for Volkswagen.
Brian Redman doesn't work for Cadillac, but he drove the CTS-V. . .

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Any idea why they didn't go with the full blown LS9 setup? Seems to me if they wanted the true track sedan, the oil sump changes would of been quite beneficial.
Because they don't want to sell the same motor from a $100k sports car in a $60k sedan. They detuned it a bit so the ZR1 still has that "something special" that justifies the major price differential.
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Because they don't want to sell the same motor from a $100k sports car in a $60k sedan. They detuned it a bit so the ZR1 still has that "something special" that justifies the major price differential.

It's pretty likely that they're also going to start selling the LSA engine in the Z28 Camaro, which they're probably counting on to increase volume and spread the tooling cost out over more units.

There's still some exotic hardware in the LS9 that's not used in the LSA, and the blower isn't as big, so it's not just a matter of slapping a larger pully on it and a tune and getting another 100Hp.
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That's the 560Hp LSA in the CTS-V, it's not the full blown LS9. They're very similar, but the LSA has a smaller blower, and a standard oiling system instead of the dry sump on the ZR1.


thanks for the full report you are correct!! sorry i didnt explain myself,my point was LS9 is the best engine GM has ever produced! LOL
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Hi, Friend.
I am Rojertwose I read your entire post In Motortrend, the CTS-V ran a 103.9 lap time compared to 105.4 for the Jaguar XF-R. 1.5 seconds is a lot to make up on a track Randy Pobst drove both cars.
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The fact that BMW could have chosen Stuck or any number of development drivers to drive the M5, yet chose Auberlen who had never even driven the car, tells us how seriously they took the R&T challenge. In other words, not too seriously. Or, Stuck's schedule wouldn't allow it.
that, or they wanted to have a handy excuse in case of defeat.
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that, or they wanted to have a handy excuse in case of defeat.
Hans Stuck working for VW isn't a handy excuse. BMW is not likely to promote a 4-year-old car very hard. There's very much a different incentive for GM to provide a CTS-V engineer who also happens to be an 11-time SCCA national champion. Which is exactly what they did.
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Should have brought out a Panamera Turbo!
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Should have brought out a Panamera Turbo!

There's no doubt the Porsche is faster, but you can buy 3 CTS-Vs for what that costs, so it's to be expected.
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There's no doubt the Porsche is faster, but you can buy 3 CTS-Vs for what that costs, so it's to be expected.
Perhaps, but "Maximum Bob's" original boast was that the CTS-V was the fastest sedan in the world, without cost considerations.

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