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      11-08-2009, 11:17 PM   #23
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So what they'd be brand new... spend $30,000 on a brand new s2000 when you can get one 4 years old that does the exact same thing, has the exact same gear, has the exact same reliability for $18,000? Do you LIKE losing money?

NSX? No Comparison? I hope you know what an NSX for $30,000 is going to be a 18-19 year old car with almost 100,000 miles on it and still slow...
I'm spoiled. I like to start NEW.

No seriously, it's not considered losing money if you're one of the few who chooses to keep their purchase for a long while. Some guys just prefer to start out fresh, and also get their money's worth by keeping their original investment.

It's all about preference though.
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      11-08-2009, 11:24 PM   #24
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Supra? Really, people? He said sports car, not drag strip queen.
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about but what's new this is e90post, I'm surprised someone hasn't spouted out "335i Sport package". In STOCK form the MKIV Supra TT pulled a 0.97g on the skid pad, brakes 0-60 mph in 109ft...

And yes, the Toyota Supra is a Sports Car... one that can easily tromp on cars that cost a tremendous amount more.

As a matter of fact, here are some lap times for the MKIV Toyota Supra TT in stock form from some major tracks:

Goodwood: 1:34.95 (wet) which is faster than an
1:35.11 (Ddry) E36 M3 (Euro 286hp) did it in

Thruxton: 1:32.84 Toyota Supra TT
1:33.16 Porsche 911 Carerra 993 (that's a "sports car" I think)

Tsukuba: 1:06.75 Toyota Supra TT
1:06.77 1992 RUF BR2 EKS

and last but not least...

LAGUNA SECA LAP TIMES:

Toyota Supra TT 1:45.87

Nissan 370z Nismo 1:46.5

Porsche Cayman S 1:47.57

EVO X MR 1:47.71

EVO IX 1:47.92

Porsche 911 997 Carrera S 1:50.0

Honda s2000 1:50.73

Honda NSX 1:57.0

Soooo you can sit down now Mr. drag queen... Come back when you have the slightest bit of a clue about "SPORTS CARS".
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      11-08-2009, 11:59 PM   #25
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S2000 for sure, but if you're going to spend in the 40's....you can get an 06 C6 Z06 for that...
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      11-09-2009, 02:47 AM   #26
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Of the choices listed by the OP, I find the 993 the most appealing. Maybe check out Excellence Magazine for their used car valuations. This might be a car that could gain some value in the years to come, helping to offset the maintenance costs.

I'd also consider a Z4 Coupe. Here's an M with high miles, but it's within the price range:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1448792246.html
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      11-09-2009, 05:10 AM   #27
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Don't put down the 370z lol it's a great car for a great value. However, from that list, I would say s2000 because you know it's gonna be a fun little car with easy maintenance. Btw, a new s2000 costs around mid 30's or so says the website.
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      11-09-2009, 05:25 AM   #28
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Supra? Really, people? He said sports car, not drag strip queen. I like the Z4M, C5 Z06, 996tt, and S2000. Of course, there isn't really much comparison in speed between a Z06 and S2000, so it's important to say whether you're looking more for fun or fast.
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      11-09-2009, 05:42 AM   #29
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LAGUNA SECA LAP TIMES:

Toyota Supra TT 1:45.87

Nissan 370z Nismo 1:46.5

Porsche Cayman S 1:47.57

EVO X MR 1:47.71

EVO IX 1:47.92

Porsche 911 997 Carrera S 1:50.0

Honda s2000 1:50.73

Honda NSX 1:57.0

Soooo you can sit down now Mr. drag queen... Come back when you have the slightest bit of a clue about "SPORTS CARS".
I hope you are not comparing times set by different drivers. I know for a fact that the Supra was driven by Motoharu Kurosawa and the NSX by Jeremy Clarkson (a self described idiot behind the wheel).

In fact, all the known times are set by MT, CD or Edmunds making the Supra laptime completely irrelevant. None are drivers of Kurosawa's pedigree.
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      11-09-2009, 08:19 AM   #30
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I hope you are not comparing times set by different drivers. I know for a fact that the Supra was driven by Motoharu Kurosawa and the NSX by Jeremy Clarkson (a self described idiot behind the wheel).

In fact, all the known times are set by MT, CD or Edmunds making the Supra laptime completely irrelevant. None are drivers of Kurosawa's pedigree.
Regardless, the drivers of the other cars are not incompetent. The fact that they are even within a couple of seconds of each other is a statement in it's own. You can't really use who was driving as an argument to side with someone who says the Supra is a drag queen not a sports car... Why?

Because with ANY of these cars, you can have a weaker driver and it can be terrible at the track, you will never escape the very good drivers that tool on guys in exotics at the track who are less than mediocre drivers.

Another way to look at it:

The Supra was bone stock, and it is also know to have a ridiculous amount of HP and Torque to gain. Bolt ons or "BPU" (Basic performance upgrades) take a Supra TT in stock form (high 280whp ish) to about 400+ whp... now that is with BASICS. A single turbo set up or even HKS twins can create HUGE gains. The best part is, the Supra put's it down very well on a road course still, and a drag strip.

Anyone that knocks one of the best, most potent, reliable and down right exotic ass whooping cars of all time should no longer contribute.

I am not saying other cars here suggested are not good ones and should be ignored. BUT with suggestions like buying a brand new s2000, I wonder how much these guys actually KNOW... scratch that I don't wonder I know they aren't a solid source for good info.

Anyone that wants to spend $30,000 on a brand new s2000 when you can get one with crap for miles, that is identical to the new example for $18,000 or so is high. Buying a brand new car and justifying the price usually is tied into wanting something that will be more reliable, not abused, or last longer because you started from scratch... or even that you just want that "it's ALL mine" feeling.

More reliable? No way, that car will out live it's owner even used...

Abused? Maybe but there are a TON of them out there to choose from and they are just as reliable

all mine feeling? If you want to blow $12,000 more than you have to for the all mine feeling, whatever with you anyway.

For those saying 996TT, youre crazy... CRAZY to think you are going to get an even less than mediocre example of a 996TT for $30,000 or $30,000 ISH.

I personally know Steve Theodore, he's a friend of mine. He just bought his with fairly higher miles but in good shape for low $40,000's and he is a sniper of deals and used car condition as well as the founder of the Supra Hard Top registry. He has owned anything from multiple Supras, zO6's, and now a 996TT. You might find one that's been rear ended for that amount of money...

The only decent condition 911 you're going to find for $30,000 ish is a 993 or 996 Carerra, maybe an S.
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      11-09-2009, 09:13 PM   #31
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Lotus Elise (around low 30's used) WRONG... more like mid to low $20's now and they are harshly unfriendly to the daily driver. A great track car but they don't even have carpet...
A Search on Autotrader lists that the Cheapest Elise is $25k, while most are around $30k.

Where are you finding all the LOW $20's Elises?



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Rx7 with LS1 motor ( around 30k ) WRONG again, you can get a nicely done FD LSx for $20 ish... $30k gets you one with a blower and a bunch of supporting mods. Great car but not for everyone.
The LSx FD's on v8rx7forum are around $30k.

The ones that are around $20's are unfinished
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      11-10-2009, 12:41 AM   #32
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A Search on Autotrader lists that the Cheapest Elise is $25k, while most are around $30k.

Where are you finding all the LOW $20's Elises?





The LSx FD's on v8rx7forum are around $30k.

The ones that are around $20's are unfinished
Oh autotrader? That must be the only place to buy right? Yeah if you're a soccer mom that believes the commercials on where the best place to buy a car is.

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There is a big vague what do you mean by unfinished. Ones done to the point where the essentials are covered are in the low $20's.

"Finished" meaning, high end wheels, full coilovers, caged with new paint jobs and all that? Ok $30k...

Full swap completed? low $20's
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      11-10-2009, 04:43 PM   #33
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S2000. I miss mine every single day. Nothing compares to it at that price point IMO, especially a used S2000. You don't need to be driving super fast to have fun.
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      11-10-2009, 11:42 PM   #34
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I vote S2000 as well, especially since you already have an E9X M3. They would make a great pair and you can't beat the price. I'd have one now if I had room for it.

Cayman S (had one for a couple years) or Z4M would also be a lot of fun.

I've never really like the 996 turbos. The turbo pull is great, but other than that they feel a bit heavy for a "sports car".
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So what they'd be brand new... spend $30,000 on a brand new s2000 when you can get one 4 years old that does the exact same thing, has the exact same gear, has the exact same reliability for $18,000? Do you LIKE losing money?
LOL A 4 year old sports car eh? One that could have been used by multiple owners. And being a sports car, was probably driven to hell and back. Probably endured spills, farts , sexual acts and who knows what else..

Wear and Tear.. Ya ever hear of it?

Just because your a cheap ass who never buys new..Don't force your ways on everyone else..
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      11-11-2009, 11:04 AM   #36
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I'm spoiled. I like to start NEW.

No seriously, it's not considered losing money if you're one of the few who chooses to keep their purchase for a long while. Some guys just prefer to start out fresh, and also get their money's worth by keeping their original investment.

It's all about preference though.
+1 I need all my rides to be.. unmolested..

LOL Besides this is a BMW site..Not Priceline r us..
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sorry for the hibernation period.. but my impulsive buying habit got the best of me and i am now a proud owner of...
07 space grey z4mc =)
i couldn't walk away from the car having just 2800 miles and i liked the color..

i'll post pix soon but oh boy.. how much i missed a 2seater.. =)
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LOL A 4 year old sports car eh? One that could have been used by multiple owners. And being a sports car, was probably driven to hell and back. Probably endured spills, farts , sexual acts and who knows what else..

Wear and Tear.. Ya ever hear of it?

Just because your a cheap ass who never buys new..Don't force your ways on everyone else..

You should just quit posting, your advice rivals that of a fucking moron... Oh wait. I've dealt with your ignorance before in other threads. Just because I'm a cheap ass? Or just because I know how to propperly screen a car for abuse and other forms f mistreatment. You go ahead and pay $12,000 more because you don't know what the fuck to look for or how to go about buying a car. Oh wait this is just more e90post douchebaggery... Please shut the hell up before your retarded statements get soaked up by an innocent bistandard.
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+1 I need all my rides to be.. unmolested..

LOL Besides this is a BMW site..Not Priceline r us..
Oh please do shut the fuck up and by the way its priceline.com. Here we go again, another tool thinking that his BMW is an exotic the last time I checked you can get a 3 series bmw that's 5 years old for the same price as a toyota camry of the same year with the same options... Or wait was it the 5 year old 7 series that is worth 25 percent of what was paid out new? Oh yeah you're suck a baller. Next time you crack a statement like that make sure what you drive begins with a B and ends with a Y not a W... BENTLEY.
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nsx if you want a supercar, they really are still that, but affordable
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sorry for the hibernation period.. but my impulsive buying habit got the best of me and i am now a proud owner of...
07 space grey z4mc =)
i couldn't walk away from the car having just 2800 miles and i liked the color..

i'll post pix soon but oh boy.. how much i missed a 2seater.. =)
Good for you! Congrats!
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+1 on the Elise/Exige.

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