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      11-03-2009, 11:11 PM   #23
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Thanks for trying to help.

I am trying to get these spacers off but they seem to be stuck and hard to take off. Anyone have any ideas?
Did your friend use a torque wrench set to 88 ft. lbs. when he installed the wheels, tires, and spacers? You did just put these on within the last couple of days, right?
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      11-03-2009, 11:15 PM   #24
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he said he put it in by hand and he put it in last night.
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are u kidding me?
No, actually I'm trying to help you...but you're making it incredibly difficult.

You have a set of wheels that require you to use spacers to fit properly, they apparently wobble, and the centercaps don't fit.

By now, I really thought you'd see the clear pattern that is emerging here...
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      11-03-2009, 11:21 PM   #26
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Actually, a picture, or several, might help a great deal, so we could see the spacer that is currently stuck.

I also take it, that "your friend" did not use a properly set (or any) torque wrench based upon your last post. Is your friend an 800 lb. gorilla?

Over-torquing could easily be the cause of the stuck spacer, and could possibly have caused it to be not centered properly on the hub, which would then be the cause of your wobble.

You are making it incredibly difficult. Your communication style is not at all clear, and you don't seem to understand what some are honestly trying to do to help. Perhaps you've never actually changed a tire yourself, which means you don't understand what we are asking you.
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      11-03-2009, 11:26 PM   #27
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Actually, a picture, or several, might help a great deal, so we could see the spacer that is currently stuck.

I also take it, that "your friend" did not use a properly set (or any) torque wrench based upon your last post. Is your friend an 800 lb. gorilla?

Over-torquing could easily be the cause of the stuck spacer, and could possibly have caused it to be not centered properly on the hub, which would then be the cause of your wobble.

You are making it incredibly difficult. Your communication style is not at all clear, and you don't seem to understand what some are honestly trying to do to help.
Yes "my friend" did. If your assuming I did this your wrong. As embarrassing as it sounds I could not do any of this if I tried. He did not use any wrench to put on the spacer. Are you saying he tightened it too much?
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      11-03-2009, 11:34 PM   #28
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I have no clue what he did. I assume he used some sort of wrench, but not a torque wrench. It is easy to over-torque a lug, especially if you are very strong. The spec. for these lugs is 88 ft. lbs., and that is not a lot of force to apply.

If you're using spacers, over-torquing can be a prescription for major problems, especially if the torque is not evenly applied across all 5 lugs per wheel. The only way you'd know to apply even torque on each lug is with the proper tool (e.g. a properly set torque wrench).

The fact that your spacers were just put on and are now stuck is a major piece of evidence that your friend perhaps applied too much, and/or uneven, force to the lugs when installing your rear tires and spacers.
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I have no clue what he did. I assume he used some sort of wrench, but not a torque wrench. It is easy to over-torque a lug, especially if you are very strong. The spec. for these lugs is 88 ft. lbs., and that is not a lot of force to apply.

If you're using spacers, over-torquing can be a prescription for major problems, especially if the torque is not evenly applied across all 5 lugs per wheel. The only way you'd know to apply even torque on each lug is with the proper tool (e.g. a properly set torque wrench).

The fact that your spacers were just put on and are now stuck is a major piece of evidence that your friend perhaps applied too much, and/or uneven, force to the lugs when installing your rear tires and spacers.

Ok, so do you know how I could fix this. I have no idea how to take this spacer off.
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      11-03-2009, 11:44 PM   #30
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It's late for me on the east coast, and I don't think I can help you any more than I've tried. I think, at this point, you need to take the car into a tire and wheel shop.

I hesitate to say this given your experience level, but the only thing you can try at this point is GENTLY trying to pry it off with a screw driver and rubber mallet. Be careful . . .
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      11-04-2009, 01:05 AM   #31
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Lemans_Blue actually knows his stuff. What he says is accurate and is usually the best advice on this whole forum, at least IMO. You might want to listen to him...
OP, you have two options:

* listen to the advice here and just do it. pictures would actually help us help you diagnose this problem. you have freely admitted that you have no car expertise (or perhaps even basic understanding), yet you resist heeding the advice here. (classic forum behaviour)

OR

* have a proper mechanic fix it. since you or your "friend" don't seem to know what you are doing, this is the absolute safest thing to do.

Whatever you decide, stop driving the car until you fix this.

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Sorry, they are 360 forged.
You're kidding, right?

Screen name: imballin2day Check.
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Wheel type: 360 forged Check.

Computer analysis indicates you should be driving an Escalade with spinners and 95% tint.
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      11-04-2009, 04:25 PM   #33
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You're kidding, right?

Screen name: imballin2day Check.
Area of country: LA Check.
Wheel type: 360 forged Check.

Computer analysis indicates you should be driving an Escalade with spinners and 95% tint.
Wow, thanks. You should win the funniest dumbass of the month award. Do you enjoy reading threads and contributing nothing to them? You must be a piece of shit lowlife with nothing to do posting that shit. And if your indicating that 95% is dark go check your facts cunt face.
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OP, did you get the problem fixed?
Ya I actually did and thank you for attempting to help, unlike some people.
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      11-04-2009, 04:46 PM   #35
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Well, the least you could do is tell me what the problem was, considering you consumed a healthy chunk of my time last night.
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Well, the least you could do is tell me what the problem was, considering you consumed a healthy chunk of my time last night.
lol you were right. The problem was the spacer. I was a little frusturated last night and probably could have helped more with pics and more details. I want to apologize for that. Thanks for your help.
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      11-04-2009, 04:53 PM   #37
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You are welcome. Glad you got it taken care of.
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OP, i know you don't want to listen to this, but, you may want to get rid of those 360 Forged wheels. Go look at the other threads if you don't believe me. They are NOT quality wheels. You might say they look nice but what if something happens with the wheels when you're going 100+ on the freeway?! Just watching out.
I would not say they are not quality. I know many people have had problems with their delivery times and receiving the wrong specs on their wheels. There are a lot of happy customers also. I have not seen a problem with the quality though. Do you have a thread I could look at that would maybe change my mind? The only reason I would get rid of these is to go back to stock which I am thinking about. Thanks for your concern.
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Wow, thanks. You should win the funniest dumbass of the month award. Do you enjoy reading threads and contributing nothing to them? You must be a piece of shit lowlife with nothing to do posting that shit. And if your indicating that 95% is dark go check your facts cunt face.
  1. Thank you. I like awards.
  2. I believe I did contribute. Making fun of people who put bling wheels on their cars without the knowledge of how those wheels F-up the car is contributing.
  3. I'm not a POS, but do enjoy the lowlife lifestyle on occasion.
  4. I actually stopped analyzing nuclear reactor steam line resonance for a few minutes to write that.
  5. Doh! I did get the tint thing backwards. What a POS lowlife I must be.
  6. That last name calling bit really hurt. Now I'm really sorry for implying you were a numb-nuts moron who bought a car in order to compensate for some other shortcoming, then bought a set of dumb ass wheels and put them on wrong.
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Wow, thanks. You should win the funniest dumbass of the month award. Do you enjoy reading threads and contributing nothing to them? You must be a piece of shit lowlife with nothing to do posting that shit. And if your indicating that 95% is dark go check your facts cunt face.
Wow, as a new member on here (although a regular on other forums), I am surprised and disappointed one can get away with that kind of nasty personal attack on this forum. Poor.
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Most aggressive post ever. Relax guys, this is fun, remember?!

BTW, what specifically was wrong with the spacer?
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You're kidding, right?

Screen name: imballin2day Check.
Area of country: LA Check.
Wheel type: 360 forged Check.

Computer analysis indicates you should be driving an Escalade with spinners and 95% tint.
Yeah, he's very young, doesn't have much, if any, automotive experience, and he was scared and frustrated. He was also clearly provoked by the above. That was insulting. It doesn't excuse his response, but we've all suffered from lapses in judgement at times.

Sometimes it helps to remember when you were young, inexperienced, and you found yourself in a situation over your head. He did learn an important lesson last night (hopefully), and we've all been there, one way or another, in our formative years.
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Don't lash out like that towards other members, most of them are trying to help. You can't be thin skinned and be a part of a public online forum.
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BTW, what specifically was wrong with the spacer?
I don't think it's isolated to the OP, my friend also had H&R spacers on his GTI, same issues, and he had quality wheels(well compared to 360f anyways; ABT SP1 and BBS CK for those who care) ...
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