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      11-04-2009, 01:55 PM   #551
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They even got the wheels down to the same 16 spokes as the oh so popular mesh style wheels for the m3. Cough Cough P40s in matte black.

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Good question ! because actually the rear diff does give a certain extra down flow, at least my Hamann works beautifully since Iīve put it on
The car was very unstable at highspeeds B4 I had it on & it doesnīt weigh all that much !
That seems very unlikely IMHO - that an aftermarket diffuser, likely developed without wind tunnel time, somehow made the M3 significantly more stable.
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      11-04-2009, 02:01 PM   #553
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The weight saving it roughly what I expected, especially when you consider the amount of standard kit that's been removed. Should be a delight to drive for the lucky few.

I'm surprised nothing has been mentioned about the DSC, I honestly thought we would have seen subtle differences between the M3 and this.

One of the most beautiful BMWs ever and in that colour it's plain glorious.

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Where this is a plainer focus racer you will see the M version of the 1series being very much in the spirit of the orginial E30 M3, i.e. light and not with mountains of power. Whether it's actually called an M1 is doubtful but you never know.
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They should of made it wide body or somethin...
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Iīve seen the car at the Loop a few times but didnīt write anything about it as Iīve been screwed up by some "Stupid Users" before saying attention slut over private mails but when Savage wrote the first post I decided to communicate with him and told him that they were going to present it either today or tommorow, weīve traded some thoughts since then..
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It's not so much that there was tremendous doubt here among the informed. It is more the fact that there is a heavy U.S. population here, and those of us who are older have had to settle for BMW's 2nd class stuff for several generations now. At the same time, we see Porsche et al. bringing all their 1st-class stuff here.

You can't blame the U.S. population, who is inclined to favor BMW, for becoming a little annoyed.
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Looks stellar -that color is amazing - and from the video it sounds incredible, too. Pisser they won't bring it here. For those doing the price conversions (even though they don't compare from one market to the other), at least take out 19% VAT before you convert.

Thanks again to Savage, LMB and others for the info in advance on this.
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      11-04-2009, 02:10 PM   #557
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That is definitely very bada**!!! I think this car is going to be extremely quick.

At 3278 lbs, it is 360 lbs lighter than the regular M3, which in turn is exactly how E46 CSL was to E46 M3. 363 lbs.

I am now even more curious since the response of the engineer was a laugh and "you will see. you will be surprised" when asked about Nurburgring lap times.

Now, BMW really went all-out giving it a new motor that produces more torque across the rev range while keeping the redline the same (or possibly higher). I am sure the new 4.4 Liter V8 will respond to mods even better than the S65. With bolt-ons and tune, 510 - 520 HP would be easily achieved.

I think people (including myself in the wake of the 3-ton heavy pig-twins X5 M5 and X6 M ) who said "BMW is a sell-out" have now been silenced by BMW by bringing this masterpiece. BMW everything right here, like it or not. They left no stone unturned.
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      11-04-2009, 02:11 PM   #558
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Also thought this quote was interesting: "What we are presenting is a standard configuration. If necessary, we are flexible enough to respond to specific requests, too."
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It's not so much that there was tremendous doubt here among the informed. It is more the fact that there is a heavy U.S. population here, and those of us who are older have had to settle for BMW's 2nd class stuff for several generations now. At the same time, we see Porsche et al. bringing all their 1st-class stuff here.

You can't blame the U.S. population, who is inclined to favor BMW, for becoming a little annoyed.
Point well spoken and understandable !
It took quite a bit of pushing before ex CEO Willisch & new CEO Dr. Segler finally understood what we (the European M owners) expected M Ltd. to build as a next real sports car, when they polled the question in MPW.
Thatīs why the German article heads "Dreamed out, a dream becomes reality"
- or better said a wish comes through

After all the years of criticism at last ///M has done it again : a new star is born !

Thank you BMW ///M !!!


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The weight saving it roughly what I expected, especially when you consider the amount of standard kit that's been removed. Should be a delight to drive for the lucky few.

I'm surprised nothing has been mentioned about the DSC, I honestly thought we would have seen subtle differences between the M3 and this.

One of the most beautiful BMWs ever and in that colour it's plain glorious.

P.S.
Where this is a plainer focus racer you will see the M version of the 1series being very much in the spirit of the orginial E30 M3, i.e. light and not with mountains of power. Whether it's actually called an M1 is doubtful but you never know.
On one of the pics, you can see the standard DSC button. Not sure what the technical specs will be though.
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$170,000 M3

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We'll have to see if they bring it to the US and if so at what price. I know they want to compete with the 2010 GT3, but unless the changes are more than what you can get from RDSport. We might be better off with stripped RS46's like Konigstiger.
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      11-04-2009, 02:35 PM   #564
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Why are you converting it? How do you know it will cost $170K?? Every car in Europe/Australia after conversion will appear more expensive. For example, M3 costs 80,000 Euros in Germany. That is $124,000 CAD or $118,000 USD.

Are you aware that the quoted 117,000 Euros includes a 17% European tax as well?? I can guarantee you are not aware of that.

If it does come to North America, I would say it will be priced to compete against a Z06 or ZR1. Just over $100K in US maximum.

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my take is,

not in love with the color, hate the spoiler. it looks like it was on added on after.

Overall, its nice to see ///M doing things for the M fanatics. But...Im not in love!
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Point well spoken and understandable !
It took quite a bit of pushing before ex CEO Willisch & new CEO Dr. Segler finally understood what we (the European M owners) expected M Ltd. to build as a next real sports car, when they polled the question in MPW.
Thatīs why the German article heads "Dreamed out, a dream becomes reality"
- or better said a wish comes through

After all the years of criticism at last ///M has done it again : a new star is born !

Thank you BMW ///M !!!


Ill wait and see how many are actually made.
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Why are you converting it? How do you know it will cost $170K?? Every car in Europe/Australia after conversion will appear more expensive.

Are you aware that the quoted 117,000 Euros includes a 17% European tax as well?? I can guarantee you are not aware of that.

If it does come to North America, I would say it will be priced to compete against a Z06 or ZR1. Just over $100K maximum.
$100k M3

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Iīve seen the car at the Loop a few times but didnīt write anything about it as Iīve been screwed up by some "Stupid Users" before saying attention slut over private mails but when Savage wrote the first post I decided to communicate with him and told him that they were going to present it either today or tommorow, weīve traded some thoughts since then..
@ Savage.Ulm we were right up on it
thanks to all the doubting thomasīs out there and their great comments
@ South: next time Iīll keep you posted too

Hello Great White. It was a nice experience. I learned something like usual.... At least let me say I am happy that people can consider me not a "LIAR". That's the main thing for me. Next time I will think a lot before to share something, be sure....
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Hello Great White. It was a nice experience. I learned something like usual.... At least let me say I am happy that people can consider me not a "LIAR". That's the main thing for me. Next time I will think a lot before to share something, be sure....
Pity that these things happen, as I wrote above itīs happened to me too so I understand but weīll keep in touch, be certain
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Really? tell that to all the WRC turbo cars!!!

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Oh puhlease, for the love of God!!!! It cannot be dismissed like "oh turbo lag is not a big deal" You are making it sound like turbo offers everything an N/A engine can, which is pure ignorance and biased opinion. Throttle response and sensitivity is what makes N/A engines (especially high-revving engines) completely unparalleled. The best example I can give is of the Porsche 911 Turbo 997 vs Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

Watching video of one-and-only Walter Rohrl comparing the Turbo with GT3 RS, despite Porsche's hectic efforts of reducing the turbo lag using VTG (Variable Turbine Geometry), even their own developer, tester and engineer of Porsche cars clearly stated that the turbo lag and absence of the throttle response of the GT3 RS due to turbo lag are two of the primary factors he would prefer the GT3 RS over 911 Turbo on the track any day. He explicitly explained how the turbo hits full boost hard abrupty mid-corner completely unpredictably due to lag making the turbo much less confidence inspiring while the GT3 RS has the throttle response of surgical precision that does exactly what it is told at exactly the right time. That is what N/A high-revving engines are all about. When we are talking rapid throttle changes across a wider rev range, N/A engines just simply cannot be matched by turbo engines. If Walter himself admitted that it is there and definitely hampers one's ability to carry speed and modulate the throttle through a corner, there is no reason to argue that "oh turbo lag is not a big deal"

Turbochargers have lag and it does affect their predictability and response duration and there are no two ways about it.
They look pretty predictable to me and they drive on crappy surfaces.
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That seems very unlikely IMHO - that an aftermarket diffuser, likely developed without wind tunnel time, somehow made the M3 significantly more stable.
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Why are you converting it? How do you know it will cost $170K?? Every car in Europe/Australia after conversion will appear more expensive. For example, M3 costs 80,000 Euros in Germany. That is $124,000 CAD or $118,000 USD.

Are you aware that the quoted 117,000 Euros includes a 17% European tax as well?? I can guarantee you are not aware of that.

If it does come to North America, I would say it will be priced to compete against a Z06 or ZR1. Just over $100K in US maximum.
First of all itīs 19% VAT here ( in Germany ) it will be sold in the States but most likely Summer 2010.

Second: The GTS was introduced to certain customers on Monday & will NOT be purchacable over the normal BMW dealerships, if you want one you will have to go to BMW Munich directly ! There will be no discussions about the price unless more is added or induviduals are made.
BTW the M3īs over here start at € 67550 not 80k
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