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      10-29-2009, 06:19 PM   #45
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I am fine with that - but clearly I am making a few people's blood boil!

It's all good - some people just get a little too wound up sometimes is all
It is sometimes fun to be a contrarian in a land of "fanboys." I don't think GM is feeling too terribly embarrassed with their 4400 lbs. sedan, and I think the M3 is too porky.
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I watched him race a Corvette in the SCCA World Challenge about 15 years ago.
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But im sure if it was ur buddy in the M3 driving, he would have killed Heinricys time lol

I hate when people downplay some shit they have no idea about.
Actually, yes he would have - He actually raced against Heinricy in the SCCA World Challenge, and yes he was quicker.

So yes it would appear I know what I am talking about
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It is sometimes fun to be a contrarian in a land of "fanboys." I don't think GM is feeling too terribly embarrassed with their 4400 lbs. sedan, and I think the M3 is too porky.

I am with you on that!!
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I am he, Its been a long day. I will post up about my experiences later or tomorrow

But I will say this right off the bat, anybody that thinks the m3 should beat any time the ctsv can do on that track doesnt know anything. I got to do 2 laps in the CTSV at the end of the day and was extremely impressed.


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So here is my take on it guys:


I was hoping for rain all week because I figured Lutz would have some confidence issues in the rain. We got to the track and it was misting so got me going a little. I never expected to be able to beat Lutz in the ctsv, knowing the the ctsv was capable of. I haven't been on the track since july, but that didn't seem to effect me. In the first practice I didn't take that many laps, Maybe 5-6 hot laps. I was able to do this because I watched a lot of video before going to the track. I then just watched what braking points people like John Heinricy were using going into turn 1 because thats the only spot I seemed to have trouble. Then the challenge came around, On my out lap I just checked out where the wet spots were and then came the laps. My first hot lap was pretty good, but as I went through I knew a few spots that I could pickup time on the 2nd lap. I did just that picking up what I think was a full second on the 2nd hot lap, I would have liked to get a 3rd lap in but the brakes had checked out.

My impressions of the CTSV:

I got to drive the CTSV with two other people in the car, an added 300 lbs. I pulled out of the pits and was impressed by the power. Then coming out of turn 1 in 2nd gear I was really impressed by the power since in my car I had to use third and the M lacks in torque and overall grunt to be honest. I come up to a few turns after that and then go down the back straight and was VERY impressed by the brakes, they inspired a lot of confidence and as a driver thats what you want. Every second of the two laps I got in the car impressed me the brakes and the power mostly, the handling was right their with that of the M3. I would love to get some timed laps in the CTSV at Monticello Motor Club.


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Good to hear from you Michael. We look forward to hearing about your experience. You obviously did well.
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Michael, what was your time in the CTS-V for those two laps? Great to hear from you and good showmanship for the ///M3.
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Michael Cooper was beat by 3.864 seconds actually, not 5











Hows this for capable...

The CTS-V with the same driver, John Heinricy, lapped the nurburgring in 7:59!! Thats the same number the C6 vette put out and the Porsche 911 Carerra S

The best official nurburgring lap time for an M3 is 8:05


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Nurburgring times mean fuck all as there is no standard rules or sanctioning to confirm that cars are indeed stock or on a stock tire.As a veteran of Showroom Stock racing in the 80's & 90's,without policing you never know what you will be racing against and the factory cars are usually the most creative when it comes to rule interpitation!
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Michael, what was your time in the CTS-V for those two laps? Great to hear from you and good showmanship for the ///M3.
their was no timing for those laps.
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Michael, what was your time in the CTS-V for those two laps? Great to hear from you and good showmanship for the ///M3.
Yeah no timing on those laps, and I also had 2 people in the car so that couldnt have helped. Was also having a little fun
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Of the actual contests

1. BMW M3 sedan by Michael Cooper 2:50.424
2. CTS-V driven by Jack Baruth of "The Truth About Cars" 2:51.153
3. CTS-V driven by Lawrence Ulrich, a freelance journalist 2:53.157
4. CTS-V driven by Bob Lutz 2:56.321
5. BMW M5 3:05.398
6. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo MR Touring 3:08.126
7. CTS-V 3:14.292
8. Jaguar XF Supercharged 3:15.670
9. Audi RS4 3:15.670
Kudos to Michael Cooper
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Kudos to Michael Cooper
He was still a long way behind John Heinricy and a guest driver that was in the 45's.That is still a huge difference in times.Good for Micheal Cooper to be the quickest of the challengers but I feel the M3 should have finished better.

http://blogs.automobilemag.com/65860...ers/index.html
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Honestly I think this was a great marketing campaign for GM.. a huge success! Every forum on the NET is talking about it ... who cars who won... the fact is that the CTS-V can compete and this challenge put it on the map. Any publicity is good publicity... if you know what I mean.
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Glad to see you are here Michael. Awesome freekin job today.

As for anyone else claiming the CTS-V is a less than worthy adversary, that car is freekin awesome. One of my buddies has one and I was more than impressed with it. I'd never buy one over an M car or Audi RS car but it is an awesome performer none the less.

I'm happy that the point of this thread was addressed! Thanks again Michael.
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they should of put that driver in the m3!
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Put Cooper in the CTS-V and he would have been slower, not faster, just like Heinricy would have been faster around that track in the M3 I am sure.

It appears this Michael Cooper has a bit a driving history himself so I would have thought the gap would have been less.
I can say one thing for sure I got to drive the CTSV and the M3 is NOT the faster car on the track. I am hoping to get some timed laps in the CTSV on monticello in the near future.
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I knew the E90 M3 is a special car!!!!!!
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Man, this is all over the internet--what a great win for BMW. That is awesome...
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I can say one thing for sure I got to drive the CTSV and the M3 is NOT the faster car on the track. I am hoping to get some timed laps in the CTSV on monticello in the near future.
Comon now, let us revel in your win! You kicked ass, and we all love it! Go get some sleep!
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I don't think I'd be bragging about beating a 78 year-old, even if he was driving an Enzo. I don't care how "spry" you are at that age. Hand-eye coordination and reaction time deteriorate significantly and progressively with age.
he beat a few others too...

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So here is my take on it guys:

I was hoping for rain all week because I figured Lutz would have some confidence issues in the rain. We got to the track and it was misting so got me going a little. I never expected to be able to beat Lutz in the ctsv, knowing the the ctsv was capable of. I haven't been on the track since july, but that didn't seem to effect me. In the first practice I didn't take that many laps, Maybe 5-6 hot laps. I was able to do this because I watched a lot of video before going to the track. I then just watched what braking points people like John Heinricy were using going into turn 1 because thats the only spot I seemed to have trouble. Then the challenge came around, On my out lap I just checked out where the wet spots were and then came the laps. My first hot lap was pretty good, but as I went through I knew a few spots that I could pickup time on the 2nd lap. I did just that picking up what I think was a full second on the 2nd hot lap, I would have liked to get a 3rd lap in but the brakes had checked out.

My impressions of the CTSV:

I got to drive the CTSV with two other people in the car, an added 300 lbs. I pulled out of the pits and was impressed by the power. Then coming out of turn 1 in 2nd gear I was really impressed by the power since in my car I had to use third and the M lacks in torque and overall grunt to be honest. I come up to a few turns after that and then go down the back straight and was VERY impressed by the brakes, they inspired a lot of confidence and as a driver thats what you want. Every second of the two laps I got in the car impressed me the brakes and the power mostly, the handling was right their with that of the M3. I would love to get some timed laps in the CTSV at Monticello Motor Club
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So here is my take on it guys:

I was hoping for rain all week because I figured Lutz would have some confidence issues in the rain. We got to the track and it was misting so got me going a little. I never expected to be able to beat Lutz in the ctsv, knowing the the ctsv was capable of. I haven't been on the track since july, but that didn't seem to effect me. In the first practice I didn't take that many laps, Maybe 5-6 hot laps. I was able to do this because I watched a lot of video before going to the track. I then just watched what braking points people like John Heinricy were using going into turn 1 because thats the only spot I seemed to have trouble. Then the challenge came around, On my out lap I just checked out where the wet spots were and then came the laps. My first hot lap was pretty good, but as I went through I knew a few spots that I could pickup time on the 2nd lap. I did just that picking up what I think was a full second on the 2nd hot lap, I would have liked to get a 3rd lap in but the brakes had checked out.

My impressions of the CTSV:

I got to drive the CTSV with two other people in the car, an added 300 lbs. I pulled out of the pits and was impressed by the power. Then coming out of turn 1 in 2nd gear I was really impressed by the power since in my car I had to use third and the M lacks in torque and overall grunt to be honest. I come up to a few turns after that and then go down the back straight and was VERY impressed by the brakes, they inspired a lot of confidence and as a driver thats what you want. Every second of the two laps I got in the car impressed me the brakes and the power mostly, the handling was right their with that of the M3. I would love to get some timed laps in the CTSV at Monticello Motor Club
You did your research--that is clear. I also appreciate your modesty, show's class. But the bottom line is--your skill and technique combined with a very capable, well balanced car gave that CTS-V and it's professional driver all it could handle. That is impressive and you should pat yourself on the back! Welcome to your 15 minutes--sit back, relax, and enjoy it!
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