An Interesting OFFER for my M3 today - Page 5

foosh · 10-20-2009, 04:23 PM

Yes, I believe Warren Buffett is also known as a lowballer.

emthree4me · 10-20-2009, 06:39 PM

but the other half of the coin is that he sells high

foosh · 10-20-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by emthree4me

but the other half of the coin is that he sells high

I wonder if Warren gets insulted by people like you when he makes a lowball offer.

emthree4me · 10-20-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by foosh

I wonder if Warren gets insulted by people like you when he makes a lowball offer.

actually he's smart enough not to offer to buy commodities at a much lower rate, when its not offered at that lower rate

warzilla · 10-20-2009, 10:20 PM

For some reason, this forum attracts lots of lowballers. Is it because there are so many people who see the e9x M3 as the next step up the ladder in a car, but doesn't want to pay anything close to market price for them?

I'm on porsche forums and when people try to sell a car, pretty much everyone respects the sell and even try to help out - ie get a buyer for a seller. (at worst if the car is overpriced in the market, people would mention it but won't throw out a lowball number like done on this forum all the time)

gatorfast · 10-21-2009, 03:26 PM

I still dont understand how some of you take offense to "lowballing". When you buy a car from a dealership do you just walk in and pay what the sticker says or do you offer a lower price? Every buyer wants something for the cheapest price possible...just like every seller wants to sell it for the highest price possible. One person makes an offer and if the other doesnt like it they will either decline it or make a counteroffer. Really nothing more to it and no one should take offense to what one party offers.

emthree4me · 10-21-2009, 06:30 PM

gatorfast you just dont get it

you are so dense... you dont have any stake in the matter

take your VW (Hitler's Revenge) and see if it cost as much as my alloys

emthree4me · 10-21-2009, 06:38 PM

I like it when someone just falls for it

lolz

gatorfast · 10-21-2009, 07:21 PM

lol at this entire thread backfiring on emthree4me.

emthree4me · 10-21-2009, 08:04 PM

ROFL

I love it!!!!

//Flash finally gave us the Rosetta's Stone

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Originally Posted by ///Flash

I have news for you kid:

1) the worth of your car is based on what people is willing to pay for it. I don't care what KBB or edmunds say

2) Supply and demand. go back to school kid.

I will offer you $10,000 for your bimmer. Don't waste my time. Take it or leave it.

warzilla · 10-21-2009, 09:19 PM

gatorfast, lets take what you just wrote and break it down.

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

When you buy a car from a dealership do you just walk in and pay what the sticker says or do you offer a lower price?

Yes, you put in a lower price, but that is the difference between a lowballer and someone who just wants a good deal. When asking for a lower price during a purchase, one normally would understand what is the cost of the item to buy and what is the lowest number a seller would sell it at. A lowballer just gives a price that is not just a realistic for the marketplace, its more like their 'wish' number. I don't see any lowballers on this forum, throwing a price that is anyway realistic or even a workable for starting a negotiation.

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Really nothing more to it and no one should take offense to what one party offers.

Here is one big peace of reality you don't seem to realize. When one tries to sell anything of a certain value, and then a 'buyer' puts a value that is way below market value; the seller will naturally be insulted.

Take this methophar. You plan on painting a house for a fee. You know that normally this sort of work would be paid $10.00/hr. You plan to work 8 hours (1 day). How would you feel if someone says they would pay only $2.00/hr for the work to be done? A fair and market value would be say $8.00/hr. But you just got a 'lowballer' price. A price that had no tie to what the market really is. But its someone who tells you what they value your time. How would you feel?

Now take this feeling and now put it on a public forum, where people all around can post to the public what they think your work (or car) is worth?

Do you get it?

Lowballers are bad cause:

1) they cause ill feelings for the sellers, especially on public forums

2) give prices that are beyond reason or reality of the marketplace - no matter what you say, no one is going to private sell a 09 e92, fully loaded and low miles for 45k or below. People who are truly buying that kind of car have stated that on this very thread what prices are going for, right now - and its not that low.

3) really hurts the marketplace because real buyers and sellers, people who are trying to understand the current market value of these cars are getting mis-information from lowballer pricing.

Ok, I'm on a crusade against lowballers, what can I say.

I say be fair and respectful to people.

Georgeair · 10-22-2009, 05:55 AM

I wish parabellum was here; at least two people would be on moderated status already.

UltimateBMW · 10-22-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by warzilla

I say be fair and respectful to people.

So in reality, what your saying is that you disagree with the way in which the OP conducted himself as well? Good to see that most of us are on the same page.

An opening offer of $45k is not out of the question barring the obvious next step of negotiating a final price. However, the offer shouldn't even be taken with much weight in the first place since it came before the buyer even had a chance to see the car in person. It was just a 'feeler' number he tossed out.

As for emthree4me, apparently now he seems to be covering his blunder by baiting haters. However, he appears to be the only one on the inside of his jokes. I'd say this thread is done and should probably be locked.

My final statement on the matter is that selling a car shouldn't ever become personal. Its a business transaction. Anything beyond negotiation and inspection is simply self serving.

tuco44 · 10-22-2009, 12:10 PM

Agree with Ultimate's post. This thread is done, lock it. The OP is at fault and most everyone thinks so. End of story here.

gatorfast · 10-22-2009, 12:33 PM

Agree to disagree I guess.

warzilla · 10-22-2009, 01:01 PM

+1 with gatorfast, guess we just see differently here.

btw guys, just because I'm against lowballers mean I condone the OP's behavior here.

emthree4me · 10-22-2009, 05:46 PM

Thks for seeing my point about lowballers .. I know some of my comeback comments can be rev'd down a bit.. <grin>

but then again...

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Originally Posted by tuco44

Agree with Ultimate's post. This thread is done, lock it. The OP is at fault and most everyone thinks so. End of story here.

.. who's dying lips made these guys the Judge and Jury here... lol

Optherion · 10-22-2009, 06:05 PM

I dont think you came off as a dick at all. In fact, I have seen more asshole responses from people on ebay about their cars you wouldnt believe.

I once asked a guy with a porsche for sale if he would negotiate the price by a fair amount. He responded with 3 paragraphs about how it was the BEST car ever made, it was rare, one of a kind, and id never drive anything like it. ... it was a 944 with a busted trans lol.

emthree4me · 10-22-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Flash

Drives: A donkey
Join Date: May 2009
Location: earth

wow speechless. how old are you kid?

in fact to prove my hunch.. some of these lowballers are folks hiding behind another pseudo name like //flame to fuel conversations, because they are spineless to use their regular login name

racedoc11 · 10-22-2009, 07:46 PM

I stopped at a chevy dealer yesterday :-) to ask about 09 Z06 listed for 85000...they offered me a 48500 in my car (loaded 08 Vert 9000 miles) and they want to sell theirs for 78000 and 0% finance...I said NO I need to give you my car and take yours and pay the same payment :-)))

03blackevo · 10-23-2009, 10:08 AM

i think it's called negotiating, one of the earlier posters said it the best. You would have to be out of your mind to NOT negotiate. I would'nt even consider that a lowball, a lowball would be $35,000 cash for your m3 listed at 50,XXX.

I just bought brand new 2009 E92 M3 which was listed at $74k, and it wasn't the one I even considered buying, the one I was looking at the guy wouldn't come off of more than $2,000 on even after showing him the invoice price, explaining him why I am offering what I was. Went to the next dealership they gave me over 7k off the list.

emthree4me · 10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

58k-45k=13k
thats not even in my ball park starting negotiating range,, folks have to remember THIS IS A PRVT SALE and not an Aution Bidding!

10-20-2009, 04:23 PM	#89
foosh Major Drives: 2008 M3 E93 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 1,316 iTrader: (0)	Yes, I believe Warren Buffett is also known as a lowballer. __________________

10-22-2009, 05:55 AM	#100
Georgeair Captain Drives: '08 Melbourne E92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 757 iTrader: (2)	I wish parabellum was here; at least two people would be on moderated status already. __________________ Objects in mirror are slower than they appear.

10-22-2009, 12:10 PM	#102
tuco44 Major Drives: 2012 E82 135i MSport 6MT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 1,244 iTrader: (0)	Agree with Ultimate's post. This thread is done, lock it. The OP is at fault and most everyone thinks so. End of story here. __________________ 2012 135i E82 MSport 6MT Jet Black Previous BMWs - 2012 135i MSport LMB DCT(sold), 2011 X3 35i MSport VR (sold), 2009 M3 Sedan AW (sold), 2008 535xi MSport AW (sold), 2007 328xiT Barbera (sold), plus 11 others in the 70s & 80s.

10-22-2009, 06:05 PM	#106
Optherion Lieutenant Drives: Prancing Horse Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal & Vegas Posts: 465 iTrader: (0)	I dont think you came off as a dick at all. In fact, I have seen more asshole responses from people on ebay about their cars you wouldnt believe. I once asked a guy with a porsche for sale if he would negotiate the price by a fair amount. He responded with 3 paragraphs about how it was the BEST car ever made, it was rare, one of a kind, and id never drive anything like it. ... it was a 944 with a busted trans lol. __________________ Current Stable: Some Audi with a V10, Couple of BMW's, one F Car, and one P car. One lonely GT-R with all the Euros.

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10-20-2009, 06:39 PM	#90
emthree4me Private First Class Drives: 09 M3 e92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NoVa Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	but the other half of the coin is that he sells high

10-20-2009, 10:20 PM	#93
warzilla Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 445 iTrader: (-1)	For some reason, this forum attracts lots of lowballers. Is it because there are so many people who see the e9x M3 as the next step up the ladder in a car, but doesn't want to pay anything close to market price for them? I'm on porsche forums and when people try to sell a car, pretty much everyone respects the sell and even try to help out - ie get a buyer for a seller. (at worst if the car is overpriced in the market, people would mention it but won't throw out a lowball number like done on this forum all the time)

10-21-2009, 03:26 PM	#94
gatorfast Lieutenant Colonel Drives: MR E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoFla Posts: 1,850 iTrader: (3)	I still dont understand how some of you take offense to "lowballing". When you buy a car from a dealership do you just walk in and pay what the sticker says or do you offer a lower price? Every buyer wants something for the cheapest price possible...just like every seller wants to sell it for the highest price possible. One person makes an offer and if the other doesnt like it they will either decline it or make a counteroffer. Really nothing more to it and no one should take offense to what one party offers.

10-21-2009, 06:30 PM	#95
emthree4me Private First Class Drives: 09 M3 e92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NoVa Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	gatorfast you just dont get it you are so dense... you dont have any stake in the matter take your VW (Hitler's Revenge) and see if it cost as much as my alloys

10-21-2009, 06:38 PM	#96
emthree4me Private First Class Drives: 09 M3 e92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NoVa Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	I like it when someone just falls for it lolz

10-21-2009, 07:21 PM	#97
gatorfast Lieutenant Colonel Drives: MR E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoFla Posts: 1,850 iTrader: (3)	lol at this entire thread backfiring on emthree4me.

10-22-2009, 12:33 PM	#103
gatorfast Lieutenant Colonel Drives: MR E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoFla Posts: 1,850 iTrader: (3)	Agree to disagree I guess.

10-22-2009, 01:01 PM	#104
warzilla Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 445 iTrader: (-1)	+1 with gatorfast, guess we just see differently here. btw guys, just because I'm against lowballers mean I condone the OP's behavior here.

10-22-2009, 07:46 PM	#108
racedoc11 Captain Drives: 2008 335XI CP & 2008 M3 E93 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Posts: 911 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 E93 M3 [0.00] 2008 335xi [0.00]	I stopped at a chevy dealer yesterday :-) to ask about 09 Z06 listed for 85000...they offered me a 48500 in my car (loaded 08 Vert 9000 miles) and they want to sell theirs for 78000 and 0% finance...I said NO I need to give you my car and take yours and pay the same payment :-)))

10-23-2009, 10:08 AM	#109
03blackevo New Member Drives: 09 E92 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: 920 Posts: 10 iTrader: (0)	i think it's called negotiating, one of the earlier posters said it the best. You would have to be out of your mind to NOT negotiate. I would'nt even consider that a lowball, a lowball would be $35,000 cash for your m3 listed at 50,XXX. I just bought brand new 2009 E92 M3 which was listed at $74k, and it wasn't the one I even considered buying, the one I was looking at the guy wouldn't come off of more than $2,000 on even after showing him the invoice price, explaining him why I am offering what I was. Went to the next dealership they gave me over 7k off the list.

10-23-2009, 02:18 PM	#110
emthree4me Private First Class Drives: 09 M3 e92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NoVa Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	58k-45k=13k thats not even in my ball park starting negotiating range,, folks have to remember THIS IS A PRVT SALE and not an Aution Bidding!