Is 10% considered ok for a 09 M3 right now? Should I push for more?

yalag · 10-19-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm about to get an 09 M3 from the dealer, he's beeing bugging me about it all week and wants me to put down an offer. How much should I push for with the offer? 10%? 15? This is a fully loaded M3 white coupe (DCT, EDC, MDrive, Nav, Leather, etc etc).

mphatic · 10-19-2009, 02:47 PM

Not sure what you mean by 10%? Is it brand new sitting on his lot. What is he asking?

yalag · 10-19-2009, 02:53 PM

It's brand new sitting on this lot. Keeping in mind these are CAD prices, the car totals to 105000 MSRP with taxes etc. I'm asking for 10% off (-10500) + 4000 cash incentive. So I'm offering 90000. Is this reasonable, or am I just being retarded?

Keeping in mind that this is a 09 car, which is basically 1 year old (I presume)

UltimateBMW · 10-19-2009, 03:07 PM

If I were you, I'd drive down to Buffalo and buy a 2010 M3 from the US side for $65k USD. Much cheaper.

yalag · 10-19-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

If I were you, I'd drive down to Buffalo and buy a 2010 M3 from the US side for $65k USD. Much cheaper.

I wish it was that easy, there are lot of hidden fees and procedures

mphatic · 10-19-2009, 04:01 PM

If you can't follow Ultimate's advice, I would suggest you work up from invoice not down from MSRP. This is a leftover so while I don't know the market demand in Canada, I would think that close to invoice is more reasonable than anywhere near MSRP.

Bostonaholic · 10-19-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

If I were you, I'd drive down to Buffalo and buy a 2010 M3 from the US side for $65k USD. Much cheaper.

Not as easy as it sounds. Let alone the possible criminal charges OP could face.

Dieselino · 10-19-2009, 04:28 PM

Its very easy if you do the research and not a criminal offense if you pay all the duty and taxes. Especially with the current exchange rate. Figure you find a car you like in the USA for $65K add 13% for GST and PST, then another 6.1% duty and about another $1000 for some filing fees and to convert the car into Canadian spec. Exchange rate is only 2% difference now. Total would be almost exactly $80000 Canadian all said and done. Even if you buy the car for $80,000 Cdn and pay 13% tax you are at $90,000 which is 10k more.

yalag · 10-19-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mphatic

If you can't follow Ultimate's advice, I would suggest you work up from invoice not down from MSRP. This is a leftover so while I don't know the market demand in Canada, I would think that close to invoice is more reasonable than anywhere near MSRP.

What do you mean by "invoice"?

Big Windy · 10-19-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by yalag

What do you mean by "invoice"?

invoice= what the dealer pays for the car

asukadc · 10-19-2009, 09:00 PM

i'd go by the invoice chart first..

UltimateBMW · 10-20-2009, 09:00 AM

They still make money off selling cars at invoice if they are a higher volume dealership. Also, most would suggest you negotiate upwards from invoice, not downwards from MSRP.

yalag · 10-20-2009, 09:22 AM

where can we find out the invoice price for m3?

Optherion · 10-22-2009, 06:08 PM

I bough mine at $250 over invoice. I consider that a great deal. I think it came out to about $5,000 off msrp. I also got 0 percent financing.

10-19-2009, 02:36 PM	#1
yalag Private First Class Drives: M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 103 iTrader: (0)	Is 10% considered ok for a 09 M3 right now? Should I push for more? I'm about to get an 09 M3 from the dealer, he's beeing bugging me about it all week and wants me to put down an offer. How much should I push for with the offer? 10%? 15? This is a fully loaded M3 white coupe (DCT, EDC, MDrive, Nav, Leather, etc etc).
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UltimateBMW Brigadier General Drives: MP4 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Posts: 3,290 iTrader: (0)	If I were you, I'd drive down to Buffalo and buy a 2010 M3 from the US side for $65k USD. Much cheaper. __________________

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UltimateBMW Brigadier General Drives: MP4 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Posts: 3,290 iTrader: (0)	They still make money off selling cars at invoice if they are a higher volume dealership. Also, most would suggest you negotiate upwards from invoice, not downwards from MSRP. __________________

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Optherion Lieutenant Drives: Prancing Horse Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal & Vegas Posts: 464 iTrader: (0)	I bough mine at $250 over invoice. I consider that a great deal. I think it came out to about $5,000 off msrp. I also got 0 percent financing. __________________ Current Stable: Some Audi with a V10, Couple of BMW's, one F Car, and one P car. One lonely GT-R with all the Euros.

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10-19-2009, 02:47 PM	#2
mphatic Private First Class Drives: 09 E92 M3 SG & FR Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern CT Posts: 136 iTrader: (0)	Not sure what you mean by 10%? Is it brand new sitting on his lot. What is he asking?

10-19-2009, 02:53 PM	#3
yalag Private First Class Drives: M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 103 iTrader: (0)	It's brand new sitting on this lot. Keeping in mind these are CAD prices, the car totals to 105000 MSRP with taxes etc. I'm asking for 10% off (-10500) + 4000 cash incentive. So I'm offering 90000. Is this reasonable, or am I just being retarded? Keeping in mind that this is a 09 car, which is basically 1 year old (I presume)

10-19-2009, 04:01 PM	#6
mphatic Private First Class Drives: 09 E92 M3 SG & FR Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern CT Posts: 136 iTrader: (0)	If you can't follow Ultimate's advice, I would suggest you work up from invoice not down from MSRP. This is a leftover so while I don't know the market demand in Canada, I would think that close to invoice is more reasonable than anywhere near MSRP.

10-19-2009, 04:28 PM	#8
Dieselino Lieutenant Drives: 03 LSB M3 06 M coupe 08 M3 SG Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Detroit Posts: 534 iTrader: (1)	Its very easy if you do the research and not a criminal offense if you pay all the duty and taxes. Especially with the current exchange rate. Figure you find a car you like in the USA for $65K add 13% for GST and PST, then another 6.1% duty and about another $1000 for some filing fees and to convert the car into Canadian spec. Exchange rate is only 2% difference now. Total would be almost exactly $80000 Canadian all said and done. Even if you buy the car for $80,000 Cdn and pay 13% tax you are at $90,000 which is 10k more.

10-19-2009, 09:00 PM	#11
asukadc New Member Drives: 2005 AW M5 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	i'd go by the invoice chart first..

10-20-2009, 09:22 AM	#13
yalag Private First Class Drives: M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 103 iTrader: (0)	where can we find out the invoice price for m3?