BMW Working on a High Performance M3 or GT4 Production Car? - Page 3

Lemans_Blue_M · 10-14-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Genro757

BMW does make this car...personally saw it at a plant tour in Regensburg...

...its not street legal at all...and is only allowed on the track...

I dont really remember all the tech specs on it...but definetly a kick ass M3 for the price

Correct, the car already exists. And yes it's a track only car.

I know every part on this car, and it is the ultimate driving machine. (in every sense of the word)

And it should be....for $120,000 euros.

bavarian19 · 10-14-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Technic

The new-style CSL wheels in this prototype and in this week 1-Series mule photos tells me that indeed a double CSL attack is coming soon...

mapezzul · 10-14-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

Also as reported on M3post Homepage.
Of special interest is the fact that this car is said to be using KERS (regenerative braking systems)!.

///M3s in the EU have used a glass mat battery and regenerative braking since launch. KERS is a good deal more complicated than that and requires a manner in which to re-use the wasted energy as propulsion, mechanical or electrical.

From all indications the ///M3 will not see a KERS system as it is too pricey for even a CSL model.

mapezzul · 10-14-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Technic

The new-style CSL wheels in this prototype and in this week 1-Series mule photos tells me that indeed a double CSL attack is coming soon...

Glad you noticed that.... but I would not be calling both cars CSLs just yet. They are projects being explored alongside one another and may have some shared components to keep costs down.

linsm3 · 10-14-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JC919

I'd probably rather get a GT3 for that kind of money. However, I'd love to see this car produced so that I could put some of the parts on my current M3.

I agree with you, the GT3 is my next car even though I love this M so much.

swamp2 · 10-14-2009, 10:23 PM

Wow great post, great information. I can't believe the M3 CSL might be the first BMW to get KERS. This might give the car a nice bump to its torque curve. That would appeal to many. As far as getting the parts and putting them on your regular E9X M3 good luck. BMW made it next to impossible to get true CSL parts, you can have folks buy all the kit parts and basically make a good portion of the car for way less than the new price!

Footie, ruff, etc., where are all the pessimistic anti-BMW comments?

Lil. Lucas · 10-15-2009, 12:14 AM

If I didn't know better that is a KW sticker on the back..

FStop7 · 10-15-2009, 12:36 AM

Normally BMW blacks out the roundels on test mules, odd

keanu1 · 10-15-2009, 02:39 AM

for me still looks like some tunner trying to give a boost to the m3!!

sk_bmw · 10-15-2009, 02:43 AM

According to Scott27 it is a E92 M3 running the M5 KERS.

1230vani · 10-15-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tpipta

Nothing.

I believe the rear view mirror (inside the cabin) is different, like in the E46 M3, it is more round. The current stock M3 has the same rear view mirror as all other E92s.

mkoesel · 10-15-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Really?

Yeah, unless you were lying?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...00&postcount=7

mkoesel · 10-15-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

From all indications the ///M3 will not see a KERS system as it is too pricey for even a CSL model.

Surely an M3 CSL will approach (if not exceed) an F10 M5 in price, so then there must be no KERS for the new M5 either?

zuggerat89 · 10-15-2009, 10:02 AM

Is KERS even safe and practical for the road? Wasnt this system shocking members of the F1 team at one point?

Are the benefits greater than the drawbacks in increased weight and a potential decrease in reliability due to an increase in system complexity?

If it were up to me I'd rather have lighter weight and a simpler overall car.

mapezzul · 10-15-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

Surely an M3 CSL will approach (if not exceed) an F10 M5 in price, so then there must be no KERS for the new M5 either?

The CSL will be more cost effective (I don't mean cheap) this go around secondary to increased availability of the materials. Though they are testing it, it would still need to be cost effective and be useful in marketing.

Mind you that KERS can mean anything having an energy boost so technically the 7 Series Hybrid will be the first BMW to get a KERS system as it is a single mode hybrid. The M3 has had regenerative braking in the EU, so they already have had some mild EDynamics in it.

There are some other rumors floating around with a source (I can't confirm them so I call it a rumor) that this is really testing a motor for the GT2 race car as ALMS is big on the Green Challenge... so if that is true this has little to do with a production car. BMW killing F1 should allow some of the tech to be trickled to other racing programs.

Also, BMW ALWAYS launches new technology in a new model so there is not a chance it would be released in the ///M3 before the ///M5. Why do you think they released the F01 when they did- new iDrive, F07 new N55 motor etc.... you will always see a new model get the new stuff first.

sehrgut · 10-15-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FStop7

I'll take the front lip. They can keep the $100,000 pricetag.

If it's going to cost that much I would get a used GT3.

Exactly what I think....

MTROIS · 10-15-2009, 09:44 PM

To me, thee pics show some guy who slapped a wing on the trunk, installed some black rims and some kind of a roll cage inside... and suddenly we have a CSL project!!??!

May be I am too cynical and/or cautious, but so far I do not believe this to be info but rather a rumor... borderline hoax.

I hope I will be proven wrong!

Trier Germany · 10-16-2009, 08:06 AM

Who knows what this could be? This is definately is not any CSL concept if they were working on weight savings they would start with that big heavy rear exhaust. The wing on the back looks so cheesy! The GT4 that BMW Motorsport team campaigned at the 24 hour Nurburgring race in May had Akrapovic exhaust and no rear wing. Also BMW is so secretive when they test new variants, I think they would have blacked out the emblems. Just my opinion 2010 is around the corner. The U.S would never see a true CSL the D.O.T- standards are to strict, this car would never qualify to meet U.S. safety and crash standards.

TobyM6 · 10-16-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MTROIS

To me, thee pics show some guy who slapped a wing on the trunk, installed some black rims and some kind of a roll cage inside... and suddenly we have a CSL project!!??!

May be I am too cynical and/or cautious, but so far I do not believe this to be info but rather a rumor... borderline hoax.

I hope I will be proven wrong!

I don´t think so, because first it has a munich plate and second there is an antenna on the trunk, and I saw these antennas also on other cars that were tested by BMW on the ring, but of course it is possible that it is not a BMW testcar !
But I hope so much that it is a hight performence street legal m3

gr8000 · 10-16-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by zuggerat89

Is KERS even safe and practical for the road? Wasnt this system shocking members of the F1 team at one point?

Are the benefits greater than the drawbacks in increased weight and a potential decrease in reliability due to an increase in system complexity?

If it were up to me I'd rather have lighter weight and a simpler overall car.

100% with you on lighter weight and a simpler overall car. Also, I would certainly not want to be the first in the que to get this kind of widely untested technology (and in general something that is brand new and untested). I think I already got a fare share of the DCT lag issue... (I would still buy it if I could go back in time but you see what I mean)

gr8000 · 10-16-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JC919

I'd probably rather get a GT3 for that kind of money.

I would probably do the same but I guess it is not fare to compare new vs used.

frankzlin79 · 10-16-2009, 10:15 AM

Those wheels are not VMR 710s, which are 7 spoke design. The wheels in the photo above are 8 spoke design.

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swamp2 Major General Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Posts: 8,313 iTrader: (1)	Wow great post, great information. I can't believe the M3 CSL might be the first BMW to get KERS. This might give the car a nice bump to its torque curve. That would appeal to many. As far as getting the parts and putting them on your regular E9X M3 good luck. BMW made it next to impossible to get true CSL parts, you can have folks buy all the kit parts and basically make a good portion of the car for way less than the new price! Footie, ruff, etc., where are all the pessimistic anti-BMW comments? __________________ E92 M3 \| Space Gray on Fox Red \| M-DCT \| CF Roof \| RAC RG63 Wheels \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| \| Vorsteiner Ti Exhaust \| Matte Black Grilles/Side Gills/Rear Emblem/Mirrors \| \| Alekshop Back up Camera \| GP Thunders \| BMW Aluminum Pedals \| Elite Angels \| \| VentureShield Full Front Wrap \| Hardwired V1 \| Interior Xenon Light Kit \|

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MTROIS Major Drives: on the wrong side of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,069 iTrader: (0)	To me, thee pics show some guy who slapped a wing on the trunk, installed some black rims and some kind of a roll cage inside... and suddenly we have a CSL project!!??! May be I am too cynical and/or cautious, but so far I do not believe this to be info but rather a rumor... borderline hoax. I hope I will be proven wrong! __________________ 2008 M3 Coupé \| BMW CCA Member

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Trier Germany Banned Drives: 2009 E-90 M3 space gray Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Deutschland KreisTrier auf Autobahn 64 & Tucson AZ Posts: 1,085 iTrader: (1)	M3 GT4? Who knows what this could be? This is definately is not any CSL concept if they were working on weight savings they would start with that big heavy rear exhaust. The wing on the back looks so cheesy! The GT4 that BMW Motorsport team campaigned at the 24 hour Nurburgring race in May had Akrapovic exhaust and no rear wing. Also BMW is so secretive when they test new variants, I think they would have blacked out the emblems. Just my opinion 2010 is around the corner. The U.S would never see a true CSL the D.O.T- standards are to strict, this car would never qualify to meet U.S. safety and crash standards.

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10-15-2009, 12:14 AM	#51
Lil. Lucas Interlagos FTW! Drives: 86 E30 M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 167 iTrader: (0)	If I didn't know better that is a KW sticker on the back..

10-15-2009, 02:39 AM	#53
keanu1 tiamat Drives: 525 d Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: romania Posts: 1,269 iTrader: (0)	for me still looks like some tunner trying to give a boost to the m3!!

10-15-2009, 02:43 AM	#54
sk_bmw New Member Drives: 2013 M3 E93 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Orange County, California Area Posts: 21 iTrader: (0)	According to Scott27 it is a E92 M3 running the M5 KERS.

10-15-2009, 10:02 AM	#58
zuggerat89 Waiting... Drives: 05 ZHP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY Posts: 794 iTrader: (0)	Is KERS even safe and practical for the road? Wasnt this system shocking members of the F1 team at one point? Are the benefits greater than the drawbacks in increased weight and a potential decrease in reliability due to an increase in system complexity? If it were up to me I'd rather have lighter weight and a simpler overall car.

10-16-2009, 10:15 AM	#66
frankzlin79 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2013 Nissan GT-R Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,614 iTrader: (5)	Those wheels are not VMR 710s, which are 7 spoke design. The wheels in the photo above are 8 spoke design.