BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Mechanical Maintenance: Break-in / Oil & Fluids / Servicing
 
PYSPEED
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-13-2009, 02:42 PM   #1
frankzlin79
Lieutenant Colonel
 
frankzlin79's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 335i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston, Texas

Posts: 1,619
iTrader: (5)

6,000 mile oil change part of Free Maintenance?

I got my 1,200 mile oil change right on time. I was thinking that the next free oil change for me would be at 15,000 miles. I look in my iDrive for the oil status (which was OK) and it says I should get one a 6,000 miles. My question is: Is the 6,000 mile oil change free?

Note, I have 10,000 miles right now, and have not gotten an oil change since 1,200 miles.
frankzlin79 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 03:39 PM   #2
isugoo
Major General
 
isugoo's Avatar
 
Drives: 14 M5 CP
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Irvine, CA

Posts: 5,704
iTrader: (61)

BMW only covers oil change every 1 year or 15k miles (so after 1.2k miles service, it's going to be 16.2k miles for your next "free oil change" as part of inspection I).

Most of M owners do one more oil change every 6 months or 6-8k miles at own expense.

So the answer is NO, they'll not cover unless you hit 6k miles at exactly 12 months later.
__________________

PAST: 11 E70 X5M | 08 E90 M3 | 08 E92 335i | 03.5 E46 M3 | 99 E36 M3
isugoo is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 04:54 PM   #3
drvai
Major
 
drvai's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3 AW
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: FL

Posts: 1,264
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by isugoo View Post
BMW only covers oil change every 1 year or 15k miles (so after 1.2k miles service, it's going to be 16.2k miles for your next "free oil change" as part of inspection I).

Most of M owners do one more oil change every 6 months or 6-8k miles at own expense.

So the answer is NO, they'll not cover unless you hit 6k miles at exactly 12 months later.
But the 1 year free oil change is completely independent of the miles you have. In other words, if your car "turns 1" with 10,000 miles in the odometer, you do use your 1-year oil change you are entitled to the maintenance at 16000 (6k miles after)
drvai is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 06:27 PM   #4
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
"Ultimate Service" plan and oil changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by isugoo View Post
BMW only covers oil change every 1 year or 15k miles (so after 1.2k miles service, it's going to be 16.2k miles for your next "free oil change" as part of inspection I).
Where did you get the one-year thing? Have you had this documented or are you repeating what you have heard? AFAIK, oil changes included in the BMW Maintenance Plan are only at the discretion of the CBS system. It tracks maintenance by both time and miles. The default after the 1,200 service seems to be 16,000 miles, unless you drive the car under severe conditions. I and many others have seen this. I did do a change at ~7,500 miles on my own.

If you have iDrive set for automatic notification, your Center will be notified at 15k miles (you will also get an in-dash notice that service is approaching), and then notify you. You can get this service done anytime after that notification. I just had mine done at 15,100 miles.

I think the one year thing is misinformation, IMO, unless you have some documentation to prove me wrong.

Edit: Glad to be proven wrong by Awesome
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350

Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 09-13-2009 at 07:54 PM.
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 07:10 PM   #5
AwesomeM3
Major
 
AwesomeM3's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3, E70 X5, 1967 Corvette
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 1,453
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [5.00]
2009 X5 48i M Sport  [5.00]
(SOLD) 2001 M3  [0.00]
BMW will change the oil free of charge once a year, or when the Condition Based Service system indicates to. I had mine changed one year from the date of the 1200 mile service, with less than 4000 miles on the odo.

Page 6 of the Service & Warranty book states "Change oil at least once a year."
Attached Images
File Type: pdf 2008_M3_English[1].pdf (908.6 KB, 149 views)
__________________

2008 E92 M3 Coupe 6MT | 2009 E70 X5 xDrive 48i M Sport | 1967 Corvette Coupe
2001 E46 M3 - Sold | 1997 E36 M3 - Sold | BMW CCA member
AwesomeM3 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 07:53 PM   #6
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by AwesomeM3 View Post
BMW will change the oil free of charge once a year, or when the Condition Based Service system indicates to. I had mine changed one year from the date of the 1200 mile service, with less than 4000 miles on the odo.

Page 6 of the Service & Warranty book states "Change oil at least once a year."
Thanks -- missed that. So if you put on 10k a year you can get it changed every 10k miles.
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-13-2009, 11:10 PM   #7
JAJ
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 927
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Thanks -- missed that. So if you put on 10k a year you can get it changed every 10k miles.
The annual oil change is called a "Low Mileage Service" and its covered by your regular four year factory-paid maintenance. However, your "every year at 10k miles" conclusion is not correct: you'll get it changed a year after the last change if you haven't hit the CBS limit, and again whenever the CBS indicator says to. They do not reset the CBS when they do a low mileage service - it just keeps running because too much other stuff is tied to it - air filters, cabin filters, differential and trans fluids, and so on. It's an out-of-sequence oil change that they pretend never happened.

For instance, I do about 7500 miles a year, so mine was changed at 1200 miles in April 2008, at 8,000 miles in April 2009 (a year after the 1200 mile change) and it'll be done eight months later in December 2009 at around 13,000 miles when the CBS says it's due. The next change after that will be a year later in December 2010 at 21,000 miles or so. And so on.
JAJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-14-2009, 07:48 AM   #8
AwesomeM3
Major
 
AwesomeM3's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3, E70 X5, 1967 Corvette
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 1,453
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [5.00]
2009 X5 48i M Sport  [5.00]
(SOLD) 2001 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Thanks -- missed that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
The annual oil change is called a "Low Mileage Service" and its covered by your regular four year factory-paid maintenance. However, your "every year at 10k miles" conclusion is not correct: you'll get it changed a year after the last change if you haven't hit the CBS limit, and again whenever the CBS indicator says to. They do not reset the CBS when they do a low mileage service - it just keeps running because too much other stuff is tied to it - air filters, cabin filters, differential and trans fluids, and so on. It's an out-of-sequence oil change that they pretend never happened.

For instance, I do about 7500 miles a year, so mine was changed at 1200 miles in April 2008, at 8,000 miles in April 2009 (a year after the 1200 mile change) and it'll be done eight months later in December 2009 at around 13,000 miles when the CBS says it's due. The next change after that will be a year later in December 2010 at 21,000 miles or so. And so on.


Good explanation, better than mine.
__________________

2008 E92 M3 Coupe 6MT | 2009 E70 X5 xDrive 48i M Sport | 1967 Corvette Coupe
2001 E46 M3 - Sold | 1997 E36 M3 - Sold | BMW CCA member
AwesomeM3 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-14-2009, 08:19 AM   #9
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
CBS and early oil changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
The annual oil change is called a "Low Mileage Service" and its covered by your regular four year factory-paid maintenance. However, your "every year at 10k miles" conclusion is not correct: you'll get it changed a year after the last change if you haven't hit the CBS limit, and again whenever the CBS indicator says to. They do not reset the CBS when they do a low mileage service - it just keeps running because too much other stuff is tied to it - air filters, cabin filters, differential and trans fluids, and so on. It's an out-of-sequence oil change that they pretend never happened.

For instance, I do about 7500 miles a year, so mine was changed at 1200 miles in April 2008, at 8,000 miles in April 2009 (a year after the 1200 mile change) and it'll be done eight months later in December 2009 at around 13,000 miles when the CBS says it's due. The next change after that will be a year later in December 2010 at 21,000 miles or so. And so on.
The CBS system supposedly monitors oil quality as one parameter. Why wouldn't an early change extend the normal interval? Or, does the oil "condition" have to get pretty bad (e.g. lots of short trips) to change the default 25,000 km interval?
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-14-2009, 10:21 AM   #10
JAJ
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 927
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
The CBS system supposedly monitors oil quality as one parameter. Why wouldn't an early change extend the normal interval? Or, does the oil "condition" have to get pretty bad (e.g. lots of short trips) to change the default 25,000 km interval?
Despite all the rhetoric, I think the oil CBS system still only monitors fuel consumption between oil changes, just like it always has.

I recently left Vancouver showing 4200km to the next service. I drove to Portland and back (1000km total) and did 200km at PIR. My 1200km trip translated into an 800km drop to 3400km to the next service. Low fuel consumption while sitting on I5 in cruise control is my explanation for why the CBS recorded 400km less than the actual trip distance.
JAJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-15-2009, 07:48 PM   #11
elp_jc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: May 2008
Location: .

Posts: 4,910
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
The CBS system supposedly monitors oil quality as one parameter.
That'd be great. If that was the case, it'd trigger an oil change a lot sooner than 15K miles . It's just an algorithm, like all other cars; that's why I never pay attention to those things . Take care.
elp_jc is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-15-2009, 08:49 PM   #12
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by elp_jc View Post
That'd be great. If that was the case, it'd trigger an oil change a lot sooner than 15K miles . It's just an algorithm, like all other cars; that's why I never pay attention to those things . Take care.
So the Aftersales Training document that says it has an "oil condition sensor" is wrong? Algorithms can obviously be applied to any data read.
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-15-2009, 11:53 PM   #13
JAJ
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 927
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
So the Aftersales Training document that says it has an "oil condition sensor" is wrong? Algorithms can obviously be applied to any data read.
Maybe it will sound an alarm if the oil has too much acid or something, but if it doesn't then mileage or fuel consumed prevails.

Or, maybe the "condition" it measures is "present" (read: good) or "absent" (read: not so good).

I've read on the various Bosch and other automotive OEM's about oil sensors that can distinguish condition, but they seemed pretty "prototype-ish". Wouldn't they have problems giving a valid report if the owner put a different oil in the crankcase, or if Castrol reformulated TWS for that matter?
JAJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-16-2009, 08:19 AM   #14
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Oil condition sensor

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
Maybe it will sound an alarm if the oil has too much acid or something, but if it doesn't then mileage or fuel consumed prevails.

Or, maybe the "condition" it measures is "present" (read: good) or "absent" (read: not so good).

I've read on the various Bosch and other automotive OEM's about oil sensors that can distinguish condition, but they seemed pretty "prototype-ish". Wouldn't they have problems giving a valid report if the owner put a different oil in the crankcase, or if Castrol reformulated TWS for that matter?
Here is a descriiption from BMW.
Attached Images
File Type: pdf Oil sensor.pdf (81.1 KB, 161 views)
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-16-2009, 10:54 PM   #15
JAJ
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 927
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Here is a descriiption from BMW.
Fascinating reading, but not inconsistent with the notion that the system will detect a "bad" oil situation and recommend a change, at the same time as it allows other algorithms, like mileage or fuel consumed, to determine oil changes when the oil is in otherwise good condition.
JAJ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-17-2009, 08:25 AM   #16
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
 
Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe, 2012 ML350
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

Posts: 7,566
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
Fascinating reading, but not inconsistent with the notion that the system will detect a "bad" oil situation and recommend a change, at the same time as it allows other algorithms, like mileage or fuel consumed, to determine oil changes when the oil is in otherwise good condition.
Correct.
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2015 M4 Coupe - Silverstone/Sakhir/CF
2012 ML350
GregW / Oregon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-19-2009, 04:24 PM   #17
elp_jc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: May 2008
Location: .

Posts: 4,910
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
So the Aftersales Training document that says it has an "oil condition sensor" is wrong?
It's 'Condition Based SYSTEM' (CBS). There's no oil quality sensors anywhere man, or you wouldn't need anything else, nor you'd have to 'reset' anything. Makes sense???
The algorithm used relies on many inputs, like number of ignition cycles, engine rpms, etc., which is fine for somebody who doesn't keep track of maintenance (plus helps dealers make money), but those algorithms will never take into account if you live in a dusty place, or many other situations. There have been numerous oil analyses done by many owners showing additive package already depleted by 7.5K miles, which means your oil can't neutralize acids anymore, can't absorb any more contaminants, etc. THAT is my worry, not viscosity breakdown, especially with 10/60 oil. And no comercially available sensor can determine that... yet (only viscosity, which is used in some diesel big rigs, but it has many limitations).

Nothing wrong with following the manual (or CBS), but I won't. An oil change at 7.5K miles seems to be the perfect balance between environmental consciousness and engine longevity. Take care.
elp_jc is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      09-27-2009, 01:03 AM   #18
aus
Major General
 
Drives: Odysse
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Seal Beach, CA

Posts: 7,345
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
Despite all the rhetoric, I think the oil CBS system still only monitors fuel consumption between oil changes, just like it always has.
This is pretty much the case. There have been guys on the E90 side who sent their oil at a different intervals. and it starts to break down around 8,000 miles but is still good for most. At 10,000 miles or so, the oil starts to get a little nasty with a lot of wear metals per Blackstone reports but the senor still say's 15,000 miles for an oil change.
__________________
Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
aus is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-17-2009, 10:59 PM   #19
Leozap
Captain
 
Drives: AW E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: NY

Posts: 952
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAJ View Post
The annual oil change is called a "Low Mileage Service" and its covered by your regular four year factory-paid maintenance. However, your "every year at 10k miles" conclusion is not correct: you'll get it changed a year after the last change if you haven't hit the CBS limit, and again whenever the CBS indicator says to. They do not reset the CBS when they do a low mileage service - it just keeps running because too much other stuff is tied to it - air filters, cabin filters, differential and trans fluids, and so on. It's an out-of-sequence oil change that they pretend never happened.

For instance, I do about 7500 miles a year, so mine was changed at 1200 miles in April 2008, at 8,000 miles in April 2009 (a year after the 1200 mile change) and it'll be done eight months later in December 2009 at around 13,000 miles when the CBS says it's due. The next change after that will be a year later in December 2010 at 21,000 miles or so. And so on.
I must be stupid or something. I don't even get this. So where does the "free oil change" fit in? If i get this right, we get 1 free oil change per year no matter what? And if we pay for our own oil change before the 15k miles mark, they don't reset the cbs? In other words, we get 4 free oil change no matter what?
__________________
11 335is, KW1, M3 bits and what not
08 M3 Sedan 6mt, loaded, modded to the bone
Old: 04 M3 SMG
Leozap is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:41 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST