Winter Tire Thread '09

**ben@tirerack** · 07-28-2009, 04:26 PM

People are starting to think about winter setups for the M3. The Blizzak LM25's, a favorite from last year, are on a closeout special. They will be replaced in most sizes by the LM60. I do not know much about the LM60's yet, but they should be at least a little bit of an upgrade.

TPMS (Tire Pressure) sensors are available for $49 each currently. You can run a winter package without them, but be prepared for the annoyance of the light all the time, and a chime on startup.

It is still early, but I am getting a lot of PM's about this suddenly, so I figured I'd open up the discussion.

jackolo · 07-29-2009, 12:27 PM

PM Sent.

Interested in a set to fit my OEM 18's.

2thdr · 07-29-2009, 10:11 PM

Ben, what is available for the 19" rim stock rims? Seeing that Jack and I are in the same city, he has been gracious to pay for both of our shipping costs.

charcoalwan · 07-29-2009, 10:12 PM

pm sent ^^

jackolo · 07-29-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2thdr

Ben, what is available for the 19" rim stock rims? Seeing that Jack and I are in the same city, he has been gracious to pay for both of our shipping costs.

Hey, it's the least I can do since you offered to pay for my winter tires

I actually got to pick up a set for my buddy as well. Looks like 3 sets of tires being ordered by me. haha

charcoalwan · 07-30-2009, 05:52 AM

i am in etown too .. so that could be 4 sets together

**ben@tirerack** · 07-30-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2thdr

Ben, what is available for the 19" rim stock rims? Seeing that Jack and I are in the same city, he has been gracious to pay for both of our shipping costs.

19's are always a challenge for snows. Pirelli says they will do the 270 Sottozero S2 for the stock 19" sizes. Will they actually build them? Not sure right now.

jackolo · 07-30-2009, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

19's are always a challenge for snows. Pirelli says they will do the 270 Sottozero S2 for the stock 19" sizes. Will they actually build them? Not sure right now.

I'm running 19" Pirelli 240 Sottozero on the Porsche for winter. Those combined with the AWD make for a great winter driving experience.

2thdr · 08-02-2009, 09:04 AM

19's FTW!!!

AMOCHOSTO · 08-02-2009, 10:53 AM

What are the minimum and maximum winter tire sizes for the OEM 18's? My understanding is BMW suggestst 235s all around for winter tires, will this size fit?

I am planning on using the 18's for winter and track wheels.

jackolo · 08-02-2009, 11:06 AM

There was a thread on here where someone ran 245 all around for their winter setup on the oem 18's. There's a bit of a stretch on the rears apparently. I'm wondering if the 9.5 rear will accomodate 235 tires properly.

AMOCHOSTO · 08-02-2009, 08:13 PM

245s eh? Thanks.

pds22 · 08-09-2009, 10:11 AM

Is it possible to run same size tires all around for 18" OEM rims? If so, what size do you recommend?

JAJ · 08-09-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pds22

Is it possible to run same size tires all around for 18" OEM rims? If so, what size do you recommend?

Your owner's manual recommends 235/40x18's (on 8x18" ET20 rims).

signes · 08-09-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackolo

There was a thread on here where someone ran 245 all around for their winter setup on the oem 18's. There's a bit of a stretch on the rears apparently. I'm wondering if the 9.5 rear will accomodate 235 tires properly.

You may be referring to me. I have 245/40 mounted all around. Nokian Hakka R's on OEM 18s. The rears are stretched but it is within Nokian's specs. Great setup although lower circumfrence than stock means speedo reads a bit high.

I would be really surprised if you could get 235s to work on an OEM 18 rear.

**ben@tirerack** · 08-14-2009, 01:17 PM

"According to the Blizzak website the LM60's will come in a number of 19" sizes. I was thinking about sticking with 19" wheels and getting 235 front and 255 rear. Any major issue with that? I know the recommendation is to not stagger but i don't really want to drop to a 245 in the back."

This is a PM I recieved, I am posting here so that all you 19" people can benefit.

255/40R19 rear will be a good size for the LM60 on 19" wheels.
*Edit:* I missed the fact that there are also 265/35R19 coming, which would be identical to stock.

235/35R19 will exist, but that is a bit short. Would be an OK size for front.

Here is a list of all LM60's expected to be available this year:

http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=AW8&...=Blizzak+LM-60

Subw00er · 08-14-2009, 01:20 PM

What about wintersports?

drburton · 08-14-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

"According to the Blizzak website the LM60's will come in a number of 19" sizes. I was thinking about sticking with 19" wheels and getting 235 front and 255 rear. Any major issue with that? I know the recommendation is to not stagger but i don't really want to drop to a 245 in the back."

This is a PM I recieved, I am posting here so that all you 19" people can benefit.

255/40R19 rear will be a good size for the LM60 on 19" wheels.

There is no 235/40R19 front. I would use 245/40R19 front.

235/35R19 will exist, but that is a bit short.

Here is a list of all LM60's expected to be available this year:

http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=AW8&...=Blizzak+LM-60

The stock 19" tires come with a 35 sidewall, so wouldn't the winters use the same (versus 40).

sparkyg · 08-14-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackolo

I'm running 19" Pirelli 240 Sottozero on the Porsche for winter. Those combined with the AWD make for a great winter driving experience.

Etown thread ftw!!!

Hey guys I did a 245/255 setup on my stock 18's last winter and it worked great per Ben's advice

GL

**ben@tirerack** · 08-19-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drburton

The stock 19" tires come with a 35 sidewall, so wouldn't the winters use the same (versus 40).

Yes. That would be fine. 235/35R19 is a bit short, but fine. That's what I'd do front. I missed the fact that there is a 265/35R19 coming, which would be good, although you could use the 255 as well.

You're right, I deal with the 18's too much, and accidentally focused on the 40 series. Edited original post.

SnowGator · 08-22-2009, 02:03 PM

When I go through the website for winter tire/wheel packages, there is only one wheel choice shown, with a default smaller than OEM size of 18x8 front and 18x9 rear. I was interested in what other wheels might be available. When I search separately for wheels however, it only lets you search by vehicle, which defaults to the 'normal' 18x8.5 and 18x9.5, but these are larger than the recommended sizes for snows.

How do I see what else is available in wheels for the M3 that fit the smaller snow tires?

JohnGarziglia · 08-23-2009, 08:56 PM

Ben, last year you recommended the Sport Edition A7 in the 18" size. Your website does not show that wheel this year. Will you have it in stock? Also, is a BMW roundel available to fit in the wheel? Thanks.

07-28-2009, 04:26 PM	#1
ben@tirerack M3Post Supporting Vendor Drives: 740i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 726 iTrader: (0)	Winter Tire Thread '09 People are starting to think about winter setups for the M3. The Blizzak LM25's, a favorite from last year, are on a closeout special. They will be replaced in most sizes by the LM60. I do not know much about the LM60's yet, but they should be at least a little bit of an upgrade. TPMS (Tire Pressure) sensors are available for $49 each currently. You can run a winter package without them, but be prepared for the annoyance of the light all the time, and a chime on startup. It is still early, but I am getting a lot of PM's about this suddenly, so I figured I'd open up the discussion. __________________ _______________________________________________ To credit the forum, click through one of the banners in my signature and the top of the page, or call me direct at 877.522.8473 ext 660. Email:ben@tirerack.com
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07-29-2009, 12:27 PM	#2
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08-02-2009, 10:53 AM	#10
AMOCHOSTO Major Drives: IB BB E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto. Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (0)	What are the minimum and maximum winter tire sizes for the OEM 18's? My understanding is BMW suggestst 235s all around for winter tires, will this size fit? I am planning on using the 18's for winter and track wheels. __________________ E90 Interlagos Blue, (Winter Beater) Bamboo Beige, M-Drive, EDC, PDC, USB 6MT. Mods to date; Curb rash, Scraped front spoiler, Installed RAC Monolite RG63 Silver 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe (ROW)

08-02-2009, 11:06 AM	#11
jackolo Groin Grabbingly Trascendent Drives: 997 & ///M Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Edmonton AB Posts: 342 iTrader: (5)	There was a thread on here where someone ran 245 all around for their winter setup on the oem 18's. There's a bit of a stretch on the rears apparently. I'm wondering if the 9.5 rear will accomodate 235 tires properly. __________________

08-02-2009, 08:13 PM	#12
AMOCHOSTO Major Drives: IB BB E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto. Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (0)	245s eh? Thanks. __________________ E90 Interlagos Blue, (Winter Beater) Bamboo Beige, M-Drive, EDC, PDC, USB 6MT. Mods to date; Curb rash, Scraped front spoiler, Installed RAC Monolite RG63 Silver 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe (ROW)

07-29-2009, 10:11 PM	#3
2thdr Lieutenant Drives: 2009 e92 M3/FR on JetB Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: E-town, Alberta Posts: 412 iTrader: (0)	Ben, what is available for the 19" rim stock rims? Seeing that Jack and I are in the same city, he has been gracious to pay for both of our shipping costs.

07-29-2009, 10:12 PM	#4
charcoalwan Private Drives: AW E93 M3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: edmonton Posts: 73 iTrader: (0)	pm sent ^^

07-30-2009, 05:52 AM	#6
charcoalwan Private Drives: AW E93 M3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: edmonton Posts: 73 iTrader: (0)	i am in etown too .. so that could be 4 sets together

08-02-2009, 09:04 AM	#9
2thdr Lieutenant Drives: 2009 e92 M3/FR on JetB Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: E-town, Alberta Posts: 412 iTrader: (0)	19's FTW!!!

08-09-2009, 10:11 AM	#13
pds22 Private Drives: E60 X5d Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 91 iTrader: (0)	Same size tires all around for 18" OEM rims? Is it possible to run same size tires all around for 18" OEM rims? If so, what size do you recommend?

08-14-2009, 01:17 PM	#16
ben@tirerack M3Post Supporting Vendor Drives: 740i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 726 iTrader: (0)	"According to the Blizzak website the LM60's will come in a number of 19" sizes. I was thinking about sticking with 19" wheels and getting 235 front and 255 rear. Any major issue with that? I know the recommendation is to not stagger but i don't really want to drop to a 245 in the back." This is a PM I recieved, I am posting here so that all you 19" people can benefit. 255/40R19 rear will be a good size for the LM60 on 19" wheels. Edit: I missed the fact that there are also 265/35R19 coming, which would be identical to stock. 235/35R19 will exist, but that is a bit short. Would be an OK size for front. Here is a list of all LM60's expected to be available this year: http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=AW8&...=Blizzak+LM-60 __________________ _______________________________________________ To credit the forum, click through one of the banners in my signature and the top of the page, or call me direct at 877.522.8473 ext 660. Email:ben@tirerack.com Last edited by ben@tirerack; 08-19-2009 at 03:44 PM. Reason: Thinking too much about 18" and using 40 series.

08-14-2009, 01:20 PM	#17
Subw00er Bates '08 Interlagos Launch Drives: 08e92M, 03e46M Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NY Posts: 1,198 iTrader: (2)	What about wintersports? __________________ Custom Exhaust Project: Bates Valvetronic exhaust: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253661 -- Exhaust Mod pics in here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40236795@N03/ DON'T BUY Race Ready Performance electronic cutout valves. Here's why: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...40#post9589740

08-22-2009, 02:03 PM	#21
SnowGator Enlisted Member Drives: '09 M3 Sedan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 34 iTrader: (0)	When I go through the website for winter tire/wheel packages, there is only one wheel choice shown, with a default smaller than OEM size of 18x8 front and 18x9 rear. I was interested in what other wheels might be available. When I search separately for wheels however, it only lets you search by vehicle, which defaults to the 'normal' 18x8.5 and 18x9.5, but these are larger than the recommended sizes for snows. How do I see what else is available in wheels for the M3 that fit the smaller snow tires? __________________ Silverstone \| Fox Red \| Carbon Trim \| 6MT \| 19" \| Tech \| Premium \| Cold \| PDC \| iPod \| Satellite \| Smartphone \| Alarm

08-23-2009, 08:56 PM	#22
JohnGarziglia New Member Drives: Jet Black 2009 E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Reston, VA Posts: 26 iTrader: (0)	Ben, last year you recommended the Sport Edition A7 in the 18" size. Your website does not show that wheel this year. Will you have it in stock? Also, is a BMW roundel available to fit in the wheel? Thanks.

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