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      06-23-2009, 10:02 PM   #45
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I am sure M3s are great! I am just saying the potential on 335 may be greater than M3 in terms of power and handling. (as you can chip the car and get 50+hp more, and a nice set of COs for handling). So if my assumption is right then why people choose M3 over 335?

However, I do agree nothing beats the sound of V8, I am sure M3 is great out of the box (basically no mods needed). But after I bought the S4, it is a great all year round car but the potenital for modding is just not there. You can invest on a set of downpipe for $2k+ and gain maybe 10hp. Not a very good dollar: power ratio. I have my eye set on the new M3 as my next car (summer only), and this is just part of the research I started to do.

Again, anyone's feed back is appreciated, goods or bads. Please do be reasonable though. I will go and test drive both some day when I am ready to buy~~ I just dont like to go kick tires when I am not ready for one.

I will chime in as I have had a tuned 335i and now on M3:



I had a 335i w/ KWV2 coilovers + RE-01R tires and now have an M3 w/ stock PS2

There are 3 main things to consider, here are my opinions on them...

1. Poise and stability: KWV2 by a small margin over the stock M3 with regards to rear-end poise and the ability to stabilize after being disturbed.

2. Handling limits: M3 hands down, I can hold more speed in a given corner/sweeper in the stock M3 over the 335i w/ coilovers and stickier tires. I attribute that to the LSD in the M3 and the different suspension geometry.

3. Understeer/Oversteer: 335i needs sway bars for neutral handling at the limits, and to where the M3 stock is VERY close to neutral.

You put the same coilovers and stickier tires on the M3 and you are now quite (and I mean QUITE) a bit ahead of the 335i in terms of overall handling.




As far as TQ, I am split on this one. On one hand I really miss the low-end TQ of the 335i especially w/ the TT I had in it, BUT it died out at about 6K. On the other hand, I do love the continuous TQ all the way up to redline in the M3.

Another factor is turbo lag, while minimal there is a lag in the 335i, no turbo car can replicate that instantaneous throttle response of a V8 N/A motor.
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Hmm very interesting! This is what I am looking for!!
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Torque on the 335 FI motor makes it fun for everyday driving. The high spinning V8 of the M3 makes it a better track car, but harder to get the most out of the car in daily driving.

Do you prefer a FI I6 or a NA V8? That should be the big part of your choice. It's thing you can't really change after the purchase. The blown engine will give you better mpg, if that matters to you. V8s are unique in their own right, esp the sound.
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Hmm very interesting! This is what I am looking for!!
Added to my post, to help you out as much as possible. Good luck with you decision.
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I will chime in as I have had a tuned 335i and now on M3:



I had a 335i w/ KWV2 coilovers + RE-01R tires and now have an M3 w/ stock PS2

There are 3 main things to consider, here are my opinions on them...

1. Poise and stability: KWV2 by a small margin over the stock M3 with regards to rear-end poise and the ability to stabilize after being disturbed.

2. Handling limits: M3 hands down, I can hold more speed in a given corner/sweeper in the stock M3 over the 335i w/ coilovers and stickier tires. I attribute that to the LSD in the M3 and the different suspension geometry.

3. Understeer/Oversteer: 335i needs sway bars for neutral handling at the limits, and to where the M3 stock is VERY close to neutral.

You put the same coilovers and stickier tires on the M3 and you are now quite (and I mean QUITE) a bit ahead of the 335i in terms of overall handling.




As far as TQ, I am split on this one. On one hand I really miss the low-end TQ of the 335i especially w/ the TT I had in it, BUT it died out at about 6K. On the other hand, I do love the continuous TQ all the way up to redline in the M3.

Another factor is turbo lag, while minimal there is a lag in the 335i, no turbo car can replicate that instantaneous throttle response of a V8 N/A motor.
You could change out the suspension arms on the 335 5o the M3 arms for about $1,500 installed. Then you'd be talking a nice ride for much less than an M3, particularly for daily driving.
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You could change out the suspension arms on the 335 5o the M3 arms for about $1,500 installed. Then you'd be talking a nice ride for much less than an M3, particularly for daily driving.
Doesn't matter, you still are not going to get the handling limits of the M3. The M3 has a wider track (wheel base) and stance, plus quite a few other tweaks chassis wise that no bolt on can replicate.

No matter what you do to a 335i, you will not achieve the handling limits or feel the M3 has.
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So what else is different? People are changing out all the arms and bushings and it's not a lot of money except for the labor on the rear bushings.
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all i can say is i use to own a 330cizhp and a e46 m3 the difference was huge...

ive driven a e92 m3 a lot and i have a 335i...

to be honest my friends 335i coupe with sways toyo t1rs and kw2's handles a lot better then the e92 m

and with his jb3 downpipes dual cone intake(guess how much he paid for all of these) 800 dollars used, he pulls a car and half on the m

the difference on these newer e92's are not to great...

I love m's, i dont mean to start a war but its the truth..
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This thing is really getting out of hand. Its really not fair in comparing a modified car to a stock car. You say those $800 mods will beat an M. Ok. How about the M gets an ecu tune for itself and then lets see how it holds up. Please lets not forget the video Sticky made a while back when the guy thought his ecu tuned 335 was the fastest thing ever. If you wanna see it look here.
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Im not trying to start a war, but M3>335 ANY DAY.

Its like saying c350 is better than an c63 amg.

CLOSE THIS THREAD.
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Hi guys,

I am new to this board, I own a 2007 Audi S4 and a 2009 Mercedes Benz C350 4Matic. My previous ride was a 2001 BMW 330xi, therefore I am always a fan of BMW but I just like to try something new when it comes to purchasing vehicles.

So for you M3 owners, why did you pick M3 over 335i? A fI engine is easier to tune up and it can be as fast (or faster) than the M3, then why did you pick M3 over a 335i?

Anyone?
i had the 335 xi. fuel pump problems or so they said with the turbo made me upgrade to M3. there is absolutely no comparison in every category from power to acceleration to ride comfort to look. the M3 is in a different planet than the 335. the best move of my life when it comes to cars going to the M3. im so happy i had fuel pump problems on the 335. oh when when you hit a bump in the 335 xi it felt like the front end wanted to fall off. i would grimmace. i thought it was my 18 inch tires but it was the car not the tires.
The 335 was deceivingly fast. again NO COMPARISON! M3 differnet planet
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to be honest my friends 335i coupe with sways toyo t1rs and kw2's handles a lot better then the e92 m
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Really?? You got any proof or you are just thinking it up?? Their stock to stock Nurburgring lap times are 8:05 vs 8:26. That is HUGE on the order of around 17 - 18 car lengths at the finish line! A 330 CI ZHP was not that much slower than an E46 M3. So I am not sure why you somehow downplay the difference between 335 and E92 M3.

So your buddy's 335 improved by 20+ seconds just with two small mods still without a diff??

As far as I know, a fully modded Dinan stage 3 (that comes with a diff) in a track comparison could not beat or equal the M3, you are saying your buddy's 335 without a diff is faster than a stage 3 Dinan tuned 335??
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This thing is really getting out of hand. Its really not fair in comparing a modified car to a stock car. You say those $800 mods will beat an M. Ok. How about the M gets an ecu tune for itself and then lets see how it holds up. Please lets not forget the video Sticky made a while back when the guy thought his ecu tuned 335 was the fastest thing ever. If you wanna see it look here.
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Im not trying to start a war, but M3>335 ANY DAY.

Its like saying c350 is better than an c63 amg.

CLOSE THIS THREAD.
C350 vs C63 AMG is not a good example since the power difference is way too significant. Plus, it is NA vs NA, no comparison there. I work at a MB dealership and it is night and day between the two.

I believe M > 335 anytime but I was wondering what is the differences thats since 335 may have more potential for mods. That's why I started this thread and see how you feels about it. I didnt mean to start a war or anything.
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Added to my post, to help you out as much as possible. Good luck with you decision.
You do have a very good point there. I have to admit nothing beats the sound of V8 (just like my S4 ). Turbo lag should be minimal but it is there. I didn't think of the blown engine part. But isn't the new M3 going to be I6 Turbo as well?
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Really?? You got any proof or you are just thinking it up?? Their stock to stock Nurburgring lap times are 8:05 vs 8:26. That is HUGE on the order of around 17 - 18 car lengths at the finish line! A 330 CI ZHP was not that much slower than an E46 M3. So I am not sure why you somehow downplay the difference between 335 and E92 M3.

So your buddy's 335 improved by 20+ seconds just with two small mods still without a diff??

As far as I know, a fully modded Dinan stage 3 (that comes with a diff) in a track comparison could not beat or equal the M3, you are saying your buddy's 335 without a diff is faster than a stage 3 Dinan tuned 335??
Good points all, but I think Boosted335 may have been talking about how the respective cars feel in everyday driving, rather than actual cornering speeds or the ability to get through a series of twisties more quickly. In my opinion, the M3 is not at its shining best on the street, where it feels a little ponderous and weighty. It only comes into its full glory on the track.

As a minor observation, a 21 second lead at the Nurburgring finish line would convert to something like six tenths of a mile at an average 100 mph for those 21 seconds.
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This seems like a silly debate. There is no doubt the 335i has great ability and potential but it isn't an M3. If you're just looking for quick DD go ahead and buy the 335i. As a performance car it is a dubious argument unless money is no object (and if money were no object you wouldn't be buying a 335i). Modifying the car voids the warranty and kills its resale value (I would never buy a modified vehicle).
Buy an M3.
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Really?? You got any proof or you are just thinking it up?? Their stock to stock Nurburgring lap times are 8:05 vs 8:26. That is HUGE on the order of around 17 - 18 car lengths at the finish line! A 330 CI ZHP was not that much slower than an E46 M3. So I am not sure why you somehow downplay the difference between 335 and E92 M3.

So your buddy's 335 improved by 20+ seconds just with two small mods still without a diff??

As far as I know, a fully modded Dinan stage 3 (that comes with a diff) in a track comparison could not beat or equal the M3, you are saying your buddy's 335 without a diff is faster than a stage 3 Dinan tuned 335??
I dont need proof, ive driven both cars to the max around several different turns, AND the 335 can take them a little faster. I dont care about nurburgring, thats a stupid way of comparing cars, i dont buy my car off N times. A 330cizhp is much slower then a e46 buddy, trust me ive owned both of them. Not only that ive raced my buddies m several times with my zhp back in days. Only chance you ever have is first gear, then the m will start pulling hard.

I think you need to spend more time at e90post and get framilar with the mods to 335's. A dinan tune is considerely putting out much less power then a properly running jb3 and v3. There are tune only jb3's running 11's at very high 110 traps.

As far as sticky lol, the guy never raced a properly tuned 335 up to its 100 percent capabilities.
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This seems like a silly debate. There is no doubt the 335i has great ability and potential but it isn't an M3. If you're just looking for quick DD go ahead and buy the 335i. As a performance car it is a dubious argument unless money is no object (and if money were no object you wouldn't be buying a 335i). Modifying the car voids the warranty and kills its resale value (I would never buy a modified vehicle).
Buy an M3.
the 335 has amazing potential, something people only got from evos and stis, as far as easy power goes, but then again it isnt an m3. Out the box the m3 is a way better performer, did anyone think it wouldnt be lol?
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So Nurburgring lap times don't mean anything to you because the 335 is a whopping 21 seconds slower?? I am sure it must be if the M3 was only 2 seconds quicker stock vs stock. Almost the case of envy and "grapes are sour". It is always considered the benchmark when measuring performance prowess since it is the most difficult race track in the world. Look at Porsche for 911, R35 GT-R by Nissan and other manufacturers always quoting Nurburgring laptimes to publicize and prove how good the performance is of their 911, GT-R or whatever.

Sorry, I have to call BS that based on your "butt dyno" your buddy's 335 with a couple of small mods without even a diff can outhandle a stock M3 that has a completely different suspension that shares almost nothing with the 335 and amazing diff with it that could not even be matched by a completely modded Dinan Stage 3 335 around a race track. Sorry!


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I dont need proof, ive driven both cars to the max around several different turns, AND the 335 can take them a little faster. I dont care about nurburgring, thats a stupid way of comparing cars, i dont buy my car off N times. A 330cizhp is much slower then a e46 buddy, trust me ive owned both of them. Not only that ive raced my buddies m several times with my zhp back in days. Only chance you ever have is first gear, then the m will start pulling hard.

I think you need to spend more time at e90post and get framilar with the mods to 335's. A dinan tune is considerely putting out much less power then a properly running jb3 and v3. There are tune only jb3's running 11's at very high 110 traps.

As far as sticky lol, the guy never raced a properly tuned 335 up to its 100 percent capabilities.
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So Nurburgring lap times don't mean anything to you because the 335 is a whopping 21 seconds slower?? I am sure it must be if the M3 was only 2 seconds quicker stock vs stock. Almost the case of envy and "grapes are sour". It is always considered the benchmark when measuring performance prowess since it is the most difficult race track in the world. Look at Porsche for 911, R35 GT-R by Nissan and other manufacturers always quoting Nurburgring laptimes to publicize and prove how good the performance is of their 911, GT-R or whatever.

Sorry, I have to call BS that based on your "butt dyno" your buddy's 335 with a couple of small mods without even a diff can outhandle a stock M3 that has a completely different suspension that shares almost nothing with the 335 and amazing diff with it that could not even be matched by a completely modded Dinan Stage 3 335 around a race track. Sorry!

no it really doesnt, according to all the times that must be a gtr is a better car then a gt3 then right, or even a porsche turbo? So that means youll buy a gtr rather then a turbo or a gt3? Your such a joke, you wont even be able to drive anywhere in the USA at the limit of the N track, so what does it matter? If it makes you feel better then ah sure why not...Me im different i rather look at the whole package. If you are so considered about track track track, then please go ahead and buy your self a z06 and call it quits. You can call BS all you want, truth is truth. Once again i dont know why you are even talking about 21 seconds at the N. We are not comparing a stock 335 are we? You must be the king of BS, afterall your zhp is not much slower then a e46 m3 right lol. Or wait a stock 335 isnt much slower then a e92 m3 too right? LMFAO....wrong

Like i said, go to e90post.com spend a little time, dinan mods are BS, if you are after performance. Im heavily involved in the 335 scene, and own a modded 335, and ive owned a very modded zhp(want some piks? ill show you). Or search bmw3series on e46 fanatics...youll see my m3 there also..

I guess what im trying to say is OBVIOUSLY the m3 is a better car, however dont ever lower the 335, its one amazing car, ive owned 5 bmws, and truly its a beautiful car in every aspect.
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