BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos
 
VF Engineering
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-28-2008, 01:20 AM   #1
mistermojorizin
Lieutenant Colonel
 
mistermojorizin's Avatar
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Los Angeles

Posts: 1,658
iTrader: (0)

my wild prediction: m3 engine in 1 series

i just got the new road and track, and it said regarding the next z4: "the z4 will ride on the current 3 series platform, which means it will also share the same engines - we're told that includes the 300-bhp twin-turbo inline-6 as well as an M roadster with the M3's 4.0-liter 414-bhp V-8."

there was another thread posted recently about a camoflouged new z4 and an m3 and a 135 with their badges blacked out being tested around so-cal. Now what do those 3 cars have in common? (besides the fact they're bimmers).

discuss.
__________________

"KOPEYKA" /// Titanium Silver / Black Leather / Gray Poplar / Sport Package / Premium Package / 6MT / Feb 08 Production
mistermojorizin is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 02:30 AM   #2
Heinzftw
Major
 
Heinzftw's Avatar
 
Drives: 2000 Civic+2008 Accord
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Jose, Cali

Posts: 1,202
iTrader: (0)

This may seem true. But, we will know for sure definitely within the next 3-6months. I have said this many times, but if BMW does not do this the aftermarket company Hartge certainly will. Look for this to happen within the next year or so.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javi335 View Post
saw you comment and i'd lay on my bed and cry, then i put some Yulio Iglesias music, no more problem.


-█--------█-
Heinzftw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 02:36 AM   #3
slipkmaggot
First Lieutenant
 
Drives:
Join Date: Nov 2007

Posts: 361
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to slipkmaggot
dont they already have a heavier component in the rear area to balance the engne? what happens when they put a v8 in there? :iono:
__________________
:roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel: :roundel:
slipkmaggot is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 06:54 AM   #4
atr_hugo
No longer moderate
 
atr_hugo's Avatar
 
Drives: SWB 335i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: -

Posts: 4,247
iTrader: (0)

Bear in mind the 1er is narrower than the 3 series (and shoehorning the V8 isn't a longitudinal issue in a car that carries an inline 6 - but the 90 degree V angle will be a tight fit side-to-side).

But the good thing about a V8 is it would take weight away from the area ahead of the front axle centerline (it'd be better for weight distribution than the I6 and the intrercooler). Maybe it'd be good enough that they could remove the trim weight. : -)
atr_hugo is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 09:08 AM   #5
runNgun
Private First Class
 
runNgun's Avatar
 
Drives:
Join Date: Feb 2008

Posts: 174
iTrader: (0)

I think BMW advertised that the V8 was actually lighter than the I6 it replaced in the M3. So other than the issue atr_hugo mentioned, it won't tip the car's nose into the ground. I have to say that considering what a little beast our 135 is with the N54, the thought it with of that V8 power just leaves my brain numb. :eyebulge:

What bothers me is the OP's comment that the Z4 is going to the 3 series platform. Does this mean its getting bigger? If true, BMW please give us a Z1 with the N54 and Z1M with the V8! :thumbup:
runNgun is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 02:18 PM   #6
atr_hugo
No longer moderate
 
atr_hugo's Avatar
 
Drives: SWB 335i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: -

Posts: 4,247
iTrader: (0)

There is supposed to be a Z2 on the way - you are correct the Z4 will be getting the 'full pork' upgrade. ; -)
atr_hugo is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 03:16 PM   #7
rcracer_tx
Banned
 
Drives: BSM 135i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Texas

Posts: 2,015
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by atr_hugo View Post
There is supposed to be a Z2 on the way - you are correct the Z4 will be getting the 'full pork' upgrade. ; -)
Why do car manufactures think they have to make every new generation bigger? The reason I went away from porsche was there new cars are getting huge; hopefully somebody will smack the bmw designers before they do the same.
rcracer_tx is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      06-28-2008, 04:37 PM   #8
ScottyGams
Uber-Lee7 Member
 
ScottyGams's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NYC

Posts: 1,440
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rcracer_tx View Post
Why do car manufactures think they have to make every new generation bigger? The reason I went away from porsche was there new cars are getting huge; hopefully somebody will smack the bmw designers before they do the same.
hey, us 6'5" roadster lovers want somebody to think of us too! face it, americans are getting bigger (in both directions). I like the 1, but I don't fit in the current Z4. If I fit in a new Z4M hardtop with a V8, I would cream my pants!
ScottyGams is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 12:01 AM   #9
stefan
Colonel
 
stefan's Avatar
 
Drives: E92M3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Calgary

Posts: 2,146
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
1999 VF BMW M3  [5.00]
2001 BMW M5  [0.00]
2008 135i  [5.00]
2003 M3  [3.10]
2011.75 BMW M3  [4.17]
2009 STi  [3.83]
Quote:
Originally Posted by runNgun View Post
I think BMW advertised that the V8 was actually lighter than the I6 it replaced in the M3. So other than the issue atr_hugo mentioned, it won't tip the car's nose into the ground. I have to say that considering what a little beast our 135 is with the N54, the thought it with of that V8 power just leaves my brain numb.
Agreed.. I'm fairly certain the V8 is lighter.
__________________
///M Power - 2011.75 LMB M3 6MT (fuelly)
stefan is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 12:10 AM   #10
Zoomer
1er Fan
 
Drives:
Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)

Based on the fact that the Z4 is currently being made in Spartanburg, SC, won't they need to ship the engines and other parts from Germany? I am not quite sure that any parts are currently shipped to Spartanburg for the current model Z4 or any other model made at the Spartanburg, SC plant.. the tour guide of the plant made a statement that the vehicles made in Spartanburg, SC are shipped worldwide, so hence my question.. :smile:
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
www.riotcomputertechnology.com
Fairfield, CT 06825 USA
Zoomer is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 06:31 AM   #11
buckwheat986
Lieutenant
 
Drives:
Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 468
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoomer View Post
Based on the fact that the Z4 is currently being made in Spartanburg, SC, won't they need to ship the engines and other parts from Germany? I am not quite sure that any parts are currently shipped to Spartanburg for the current model Z4 or any other model made at the Spartanburg, SC plant.. the tour guide of the plant made a statement that the vehicles made in Spartanburg, SC are shipped worldwide, so hence my question.. :smile:
i am pretty sure the Z4 is no longer made in SC...production is now entirely in germany...


i think only the x5 and maybe x6 are made in SC now
buckwheat986 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 07:18 AM   #12
BMWeber
Major
 
Drives: 08 135i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Amesbury, MA

Posts: 1,329
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by atr_hugo View Post
Bear in mind the 1er is narrower than the 3 series (and shoehorning the V8 isn't a longitudinal issue in a car that carries an inline 6 - but the 90 degree V angle will be a tight fit side-to-side).

But the good thing about a V8 is it would take weight away from the area ahead of the front axle centerline (it'd be better for weight distribution than the I6 and the intrercooler). Maybe it'd be good enough that they could remove the trim weight. : -)
not positive but I believe the engine compartment is identical. the only narrower part is the body panels.
BMWeber is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 08:43 AM   #13
Crowley
Major
 
Drives:
Join Date: Oct 2007

Posts: 1,015
iTrader: (0)

I can't wait to see what they have in the future!!

Crowley
__________________


The last words on the powerplant should go to a clearly overwhelmed Hormazd Sorabjee, editor and publisher of Autocar India: There is something simply magical about BMWs in-line six. It has a creamy smoothness that makes velvet feel like sandpaper.
Crowley is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 08:49 AM   #14
BJDrew
Impatiently Waiting
 
Drives:
Join Date: Jun 2008

Posts: 105
iTrader: (0)

I won't hold my breath for an M badge 1-series. If I'm BMW, why would I manufacture a 1-series that will likely outperform the longstanding champion sports-performace M3?

As it is, the 135i is a great choice for customers that want the pure BMW driving experience, but many of whom cannot or will not chell out the bucks for an M3. It still sits below the M3 in both performance, trim, and price.

not going to happen.
BJDrew is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 09:44 AM   #15
jbenington86
Major
 
Drives: 2008 128i, 2015 M235i(Ordered)
Join Date: May 2008
Location: MD

Posts: 1,003
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 M235i (On order)  [0.00]
2008 128i  [0.00]
well look at the pro's if they did do it....save a little money putting it into a smaller body...and when the price comes down a few $ its attracts alot more buyers...so it would be quantity not a jacked up price
jbenington86 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-08-2008, 01:14 PM   #16
benz135i
1UP
 
Drives: 2008 135i
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: CT

Posts: 103
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to benz135i
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckwheat986 View Post
i am pretty sure the Z4 is no longer made in SC...production is now entirely in germany...

i think only the x5 and maybe x6 are made in SC now
I'm not sure what the question on shipping parts around the world was... but unless something changed since I took the factory tour on June 12, they are still building Z4's (in the same line as the X5 and X6) in Spartanburg.
__________________

2008 135i 6MT, Ohlins R&T, Vorshlag plates, M3 bits
benz135i is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2008, 07:56 AM   #17
BForbes
Moderator
 
BForbes's Avatar
 
Drives: BSM 135i/AW E90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL

Posts: 4,243
iTrader: (0)

They would never EVER put an M3 engine in a 1 series. That would be complete OVERKILL. My guess is BMW has something else up their sleeve for the performance variant of the 1 series. Hopefully BMW dosent want to be without a perf NA inline 6 in the line up.
__________________
- 04 Honda S2000(gone)
BForbes is offline   Bahamas
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2008, 09:50 AM   #18
jdesclafani
Private First Class
 
Drives:
Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 135
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to jdesclafani
ok well they kinda did....put the V8 from the M5 in the 1-series...

http://www.europeancarweb.com/featur..._v8/index.html
jdesclafani is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2008, 10:26 AM   #19
buckwheat986
Lieutenant
 
Drives:
Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 468
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by benz135i View Post
I'm not sure what the question on shipping parts around the world was... but unless something changed since I took the factory tour on June 12, they are still building Z4's (in the same line as the X5 and X6) in Spartanburg.



I beleive as of now the Z4 is being made there. But an expansion is planned and once complete the plant will produce only cars in the x series..3,5 and 6...

with the Z series going back to germany.
buckwheat986 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2008, 10:40 AM   #20
MVF4Rrider
PCA, BMWCCA
 
MVF4Rrider's Avatar
 
Drives: 997S, MV Agusta F4, E46 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Las Vegas NV

Posts: 2,060
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by buckwheat986 View Post
I beleive as of now the Z4 is being made there. But an expansion is planned and once complete the plant will produce only cars in the x series..3,5 and 6...

with the Z series going back to germany.
Correct. End of August is the end of production of Z4s in the US. April '09 starts production back here in Germany. I've been told to expect "significant" changes for the '09 model, adn that there would be a US version in that year. Interpret that as you wish, but that news made me jump on the current '08 Z4 M Coupe, which I like just the way it is (which is sans I-drive and retractable metal roof among other things).
__________________
'08 Carrera S 6MT Guards Red/Black ext leather, Carbon fiber pkg, sport exh, sport chrono +, PASM, Nav, Bose, 19" forged turbos, red tranny tunnel
'07 MV Agusta F4 1000 R 1+1, Corse Red/Silver, RG3 race pipes and factory race ECU
MVF4Rrider is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-11-2008, 04:57 PM   #21
BForbes
Moderator
 
BForbes's Avatar
 
Drives: BSM 135i/AW E90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL

Posts: 4,243
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mistermojorizin View Post
i just got the new road and track, and it said regarding the next z4: "the z4 will ride on the current 3 series platform, which means it will also share the same engines - we're told that includes the 300-bhp twin-turbo inline-6 as well as an M roadster with the M3's 4.0-liter 414-bhp V-8."

there was another thread posted recently about a camoflouged new z4 and an m3 and a 135 with their badges blacked out being tested around so-cal. Now what do those 3 cars have in common? (besides the fact they're bimmers).

discuss.
Where is this thread about a Z4, M3, and 135i??? I tried to find it but it seems like vaporware.
__________________
- 04 Honda S2000(gone)
BForbes is offline   Bahamas
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:57 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST