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      04-15-2008, 10:48 AM   #67
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Article 6.

Here's the whole thing article, with the quote bolded. It's one of the short ones, no sub-sections :-):

"All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

This is the ONLY mention in the Constitution regarding religion, theology, or god/gods save Ammendment 1.
Thanks - I had started reading through my copy, but thought I'd be lazy and ask...

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A person's character does make a difference as to whether you believe what he/she says or not without actual proof of his/her actions.

Some use religion as a part of the character judgement process. (among other things)

The problem is the 3 Presidential choices are trying to sway the voters opinions of their characters by saying things that they ARE CLEARLY AGAINST BY THEIR PAST ACTIONS.

This years election choices are like sitting on a toilet with your feet in the water looking for the best turd to run the country.
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This years election choices are like sitting on a toilet with your feet in the water looking for the best turd to run the country.
Nah, only two turds in my toilet bowl. :smile:
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Nah, only two turds in my toilet bowl. :smile:

I know, so is it Hillary or Obama for you.
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      04-15-2008, 11:58 AM   #71
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Thanks - I had started reading through my copy, but thought I'd be lazy and ask...

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Hehe, no problem! It's always easier to be lazy than to go digging through papers.

As for "turds", I really don't think we're that bad off here. Hillary is TERRIBLE, but I don't think either of the other two are all that bad.
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I hate Hillary with a fiery, burning passion. I wouldn't vote for her if she were running against Lucifer.
I feel the same way you do, but about Obama.
I guess our votes cancel out each other then.

And thus, we see how McCain will eek out a victory in the fall.
With some Obama supporters refusing to support Hillary; and some Hillary supporters refusing to support Obama. And with some finding McCain a palatable alternative.
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Coming back into the USA from Europe, I felt like I was entering a third world police state! The Customs/Immigration BS is worthless. Spending hours yelling at tourists in a language they barely understand, and rifling through their personal belongings isn't the best way to welcome them into the "land of the free", and it isn't going to stop ANYONE who really wants to cause harm from doing so. There was an immigration employee YELLING at a couple of asian kids at passport control, telling them that if they couldn't answer his questions, they could go home. They obviously spoke almost no english.

Then you get out of the airport and onto the roads... They are in a horrible state of disrepair, everything is filthy, people drive like complete morons, and there are police EVERYWHERE but they seem to do nothing but collect revenue for their municipality. I think we need some big shakeups in terms of the way things are run, but Obama is too much of a socialist for me generally speaking.
Boy your pessimism is getting annoying... I step into this thread and it is like I am stepping into a rain storm, all gloomy and nasty.

At the very least, I can agree on the socialist Obama comment.
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Coming back into the USA from Europe, I felt like I was entering a third world police state! The Customs/Immigration BS is worthless. Spending hours yelling at tourists in a language they barely understand, and rifling through their personal belongings isn't the best way to welcome them into the "land of the free", and it isn't going to stop ANYONE who really wants to cause harm from doing so. There was an immigration employee YELLING at a couple of asian kids at passport control, telling them that if they couldn't answer his questions, they could go home. They obviously spoke almost no english.

Then you get out of the airport and onto the roads... They are in a horrible state of disrepair, everything is filthy, people drive like complete morons, and there are police EVERYWHERE but they seem to do nothing but collect revenue for their municipality. I think we need some big shakeups in terms of the way things are run, but Obama is too much of a socialist for me generally speaking.
Is it possible that what you described is the product of a government that is TOO LARGE and who's solutions is more and more of the same bureaucracy?

Is is also possible that the 3 candidates are nothing more than proponents of the same turd dressed up like a candy bar?

You are right about what you see, but who's to blame for the results?

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Tell me what the 3 candidates want to order for me "today".
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Hehe, no problem! It's always easier to be lazy than to go digging through papers.

As for "turds", I really don't think we're that bad off here. Hillary is TERRIBLE, but I don't think either of the other two are all that bad.
I'm not impressed with any of them, per se, but as I discussed with someone earlier today, who in the world would want that job?
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Hah! Not trying to be pessimistic, just trying to put my view into perspective. One of the big appeals of Obama is that he says he wants to shake things up.

Honestly, I don't find most of the 'mainstream' candiates too appealing, generally speaking. The D's are trending towards outright protectionist socialism, and the R's towards a 'Big Brother' type society (I don't want to throw the 'F' word around). McCain is one of the more moderate canidates we've had in a while, but his timing is bad. I'd like to see him take a more traditionally conservative stance on some issues, but his economics aren't bad.

0002s, I agree with you completely. McCain is better than the others on that front, but none of them are good. I was a Ron Paul guy, but you gotta go with what you got!

It's not just the SIZE of the government in that case, but also the gross inefficiency. With the size of our budget we should be able to keep our roads and bridges in good shape. We should also be able to keep customs and immigration working a lot more smoothly than they do. You obviously have to check people coming into the country, but the 20 questions game, along with finger prints and a picture does nothing other than slow down the process, and make people feel less than welcomed.

I know if I went to a foreign country, I wouldn't feel comfortable with them taking my finger prints, a retina scan, and interogating me in a foreign language. What's more, I don't see it as anything that makes anyone at all safer. I think that money could be better spent on the new and more advanced scanning technology. Check the passport, ask why they're here, scan them and bags, good to go.

Don't even get me going on our wellfare system. We have a constantly growing, and terribly ineficient government. The bigger it gets, the worse it is.

Not trying to be doom and gloom, I was just trying to put my views into perspective. I don't like the government running my life, and I don't like them wasting my money on crap that does nothing but discourage tourism, and cast a negative light on the nation.

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Boy your pessimism is getting annoying... I step into this thread and it is like I am stepping into a rain storm, all gloomy and nasty.

At the very least, I can agree on the socialist Obama comment.
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I'm not impressed with any of them, per se, but as I discussed with someone earlier today, who in the world would want that job?
I know I wouldn't! That has to be one of the worst jobs in the world. I would be interested to see what happens if we went to a more conventional nominating system: throw names of the qualified people in a hat, preferably those that don't want the job, debate their merrits, and then throw the best few on the ballot.
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Not trying to be doom and gloom, I was just trying to put my views into perspective. I don't like the government running my life, and I don't like them wasting my money on crap that does nothing but discourage tourism, and cast a negative light on the nation.
I understand that and I'm glad that you read my post correctly. I really don't mean to sound nasty in response to the "gloom". I'll try and respond to a couple of these posts when get a moment...
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I understand that and I'm glad that you read my post correctly. I really don't mean to sound nasty in response to the "gloom". I'll try and respond to a couple of these posts when get a moment...
I know it's all in the spirit, didn't come off as nasty to me. :thumbup:
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Are you one of the odd balls that thinks Obama can pull off a win in PA?
This is the type of evidence you're looking for:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...a_n_96806.html
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Are you one of the odd balls that thinks Obama can pull off a win in PA?
This is the type of evidence you're looking for:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...a_n_96806.html

Whether you hate or like him you must admit his campaign is extraordinary. He continues to out-raise McCain and Clinton. Many has said his ''celebrity'' woud fizzle by now. Almost 5 months later, the movement is still going strong. Obama gaining in key states despite the rough past few days.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...in-key-states/

Clinton isnt just running against a man...its something else.
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Ron Paul Revolution. Read up on Ron. He is the party of change. Dems and Reps are the left and right of the same immoral party. The party of no change. YOMV
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Ron Paul Revolution. Read up on Ron. He is the party of change. Dems and Reps are the left and right of the same immoral party. The party of no change. YOMV
Who is Ron Paul?

























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