BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E46 M3 Coupe and Convertible > General E46 M3 Talk
 
Strasse Wheels
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-01-2008, 04:23 PM   #23
blord1124
Registered
1
Rep
4
Posts

 
Drives: 2004 BMW E46 M3
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

a firm note on the M3...

It's simple... if you want the badge and all that comes with it, get an M car.

Otherwise, buy a 2005 STI.

The most frustrating part of all these answers is that it really comes down to money... it never comes down to performance. Although, everyone thinks it does... "Well, buy a 335i, it can be tuned... and a lot faster..." - sure - but, go buy a used 2.0-2.5L Japanese car, drop $3-5k and enjoy your car that will keep up with just about anything mass produced. Drop even a few more thousand and you'll have something ridiculous. Save your money. If you want fast, and luxurious - buy an expensive sports/luxury car.

Just let it be known that I drive a 2004 E46... and probably, as far as stock goes - the absolute slowest - being that I have every option available (adds a lot of weight). Due to that, I felt like it was necessary to get it slightly turned by Dinan - YET - still naturally aspirated.

So the simple truth of the matter is... you don't buy an M3 because you want the fastest car... the nicest car... the most luxurious car.

If you want cheap and fast, BMW is not the way to go. 335, 135, 328 etc etc etc are great cars, but not M cars. Regardless of their specs, regardless of their price, or performance - they are not, and will never be an M car.

It's in my opinion that a 600bhp+ and some ridiculous amount of torque STI will smoke the pants off a Ferrari 355, or Ferrar 360, hell - I don't know, maybe beat an F430 (I don't know)... so then the real question is: Why is that the richest people... don't buy STI's and tune them... make them faster than thier $400,000 exotics in their multiple garages scattered around the world?

The VAST MAJORITY of these people (it's important that i capitalize that because some will say "well.... some people do...") don't buy 335i's and tune them and I wonder why. Hmmmmmmm... It's a club, just like driving a Ferrari, or a Lambo - but significantly less prestigious. So, it just depends what club you want to be socially judged and associated with (I don't mean that derogatory).

The E46 M3 is my bias... and I understand that. I wouldn't mind pulling up in a Ferrari 348 GTS next to some Mitsubishi Evo IIISR blah blah whatever the hell letters and numbers come after it... and get completely smoked. Good. At the end of the day it's the EVO driver that will remember the Ferrari ... not vise versa.

So, cheers to all the 335, EVO, STI etc owners - they are all cool cars and will probably beat me in every race that I never enter - let a lone many other M cars on the road.

That's not why we bought the M car.
Appreciate 0
      11-01-2008, 04:29 PM   #24
MrHarris
yodog
MrHarris's Avatar
United_States
77
Rep
5,037
Posts

 
Drives: '86 Corolla
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Diamond Bar, Ca

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2009 BMW  [5.00]
Send a message via AIM to MrHarris
The e46 m3's engine is definitely more fun to drive.
__________________

2009 E92 M3 | Alpine White | Black Extended | Advan RS | Turner Test Pipes | Dinan Axle-Back | OETuning | Eibach Springs | UUC SSK | VRS Front Lip | VRS Type I Diffuser | Matte Black | RPi Scoops | MS Filter | Yokohama AD08 | F1 Pinnacle
Special Thanks: Gintani | OETuning | eAs
Appreciate 0
      11-03-2008, 10:37 PM   #25
Takumi587
M3 Enthusiast
Takumi587's Avatar
United_States
11
Rep
528
Posts

 
Drives: BMW M3, 330Ci, 528i
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Irvine

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2002 330Ci  [0.00]
2005 E46 M3  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to Takumi587
Get the E92 335. The m3 is just too expensive to maintain. Plus turbo has nice torque.
Appreciate 0
      11-04-2008, 09:19 AM   #26
leokym
New Member
0
Rep
8
Posts

 
Drives: e46 M3
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Singapore

iTrader: (0)

M3 hands down.. Its the package of the drive.. the feel is top notch when the DSC is off completely and you push thru those tight corners and you will not regret why you chose M over 335.. Stock vs stock I meant.. Mods is very subjective..
Appreciate 0
      11-05-2008, 02:29 AM   #27
camaross305
camaross305's Avatar
50
Rep
1,825
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: gainesville fl

iTrader: (20)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider View Post
Straight line power, get the 335i? That's funny considering it puts down less total torque on the road than the E46 M3, in all 6 gears. Plus there's not another car on the planet as moddable as a E46 M3. It's the clear choice, and there's still many around with under 10K miles (and many of those are several MYs old). That's cool!
I was saying chipped. All i had was the 379$ JB3 and that gives you about another 100rwhp. Not to mention you can do and intake and dp's for about another 900$ and put down almost 400rwhp and tq. Do get that out of an m3 e46 youll have to spend about 10k
Appreciate 0
      11-05-2008, 03:49 PM   #28
MVF4Rrider
PCA, BMWCCA
MVF4Rrider's Avatar
49
Rep
2,060
Posts

 
Drives: 997S, MV Agusta F4, E46 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Las Vegas NV

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by camaross305 View Post
I was saying chipped. All i had was the 379$ JB3 and that gives you about another 100rwhp. Not to mention you can do and intake and dp's for about another 900$ and put down almost 400rwhp and tq. Do get that out of an m3 e46 youll have to spend about 10k
No need to mod the motor when a final gear change for $3000 will turn it from wild to super wild. A shorter gearing change is far more beneficial than doing things to change power curves, which adversely affects drivability and reliability. The shorter gearing affects every rpm in every gear equally.

Adding more "peak" power to 335i just imbalances the overall package even further. There's such a drastic fall off in power toward redline that you erase much of the benefit of what you gained at peak. Quoting rwhp numbers isn't any way to compare the actual acceleration capability of two cars. Gearing is a torque multiplier, so what's measured at the crank means little in multi-car comparisons.
__________________
'08 Carrera S 6MT Guards Red/Black ext leather, Carbon fiber pkg, sport exh, sport chrono +, PASM, Nav, Bose, 19" forged turbos, red tranny tunnel
'07 MV Agusta F4 1000 R 1+1, Corse Red/Silver, RG3 race pipes and factory race ECU
Appreciate 0
      11-06-2008, 02:31 AM   #29
camaross305
camaross305's Avatar
50
Rep
1,825
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: gainesville fl

iTrader: (20)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider View Post
No need to mod the motor when a final gear change for $3000 will turn it from wild to super wild. A shorter gearing change is far more beneficial than doing things to change power curves, which adversely affects drivability and reliability. The shorter gearing affects every rpm in every gear equally.

Adding more "peak" power to 335i just imbalances the overall package even further. There's such a drastic fall off in power toward redline that you erase much of the benefit of what you gained at peak. Quoting rwhp numbers isn't any way to compare the actual acceleration capability of two cars. Gearing is a torque multiplier, so what's measured at the crank means little in multi-car comparisons.
Im not dogging the e46 at all. Its an awesome car. I just think you can get more power out of a 335i for a smaller amount of money. Its just all about your goals.

But chipping a 335i gives you 100rwhp and tq all throughout the rpm range not just peak soo.....
Appreciate 0
      11-17-2008, 10:49 PM   #30
NewM3driver
Captain
14
Rep
660
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 m3 sedan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Hunt around for an 08 m3 leftover. Dealers are giving them away. It is an awesome car.
Appreciate 0
      11-19-2008, 05:06 PM   #31
MVF4Rrider
PCA, BMWCCA
MVF4Rrider's Avatar
49
Rep
2,060
Posts

 
Drives: 997S, MV Agusta F4, E46 M3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Las Vegas NV

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewM3driver View Post
Hunt around for an 08 m3 leftover. Dealers are giving them away. It is an awesome car.
That's my plan. I'm buying one to add to my collection of S54 cars as soon as I get back to the States next year. I hope the prices keep falling!!!
__________________
'08 Carrera S 6MT Guards Red/Black ext leather, Carbon fiber pkg, sport exh, sport chrono +, PASM, Nav, Bose, 19" forged turbos, red tranny tunnel
'07 MV Agusta F4 1000 R 1+1, Corse Red/Silver, RG3 race pipes and factory race ECU
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2008, 01:54 PM   #32
graider
Colonel
graider's Avatar
26
Rep
2,408
Posts

 
Drives: py/kiwi e46 m3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: toronto

iTrader: (0)

e46 m3 hands down. don't buy any bmw unless it is an m.
Appreciate 0
      11-24-2008, 06:06 PM   #33
BzsBimmer
2-4-6-8 My car and house depreciate
BzsBimmer's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
1,783
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 E90 M3
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Modesto CA

iTrader: (12)

Send a message via Yahoo to BzsBimmer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Takumi587 View Post
Get the E92 335. The m3 is just too expensive to maintain. Plus turbo has nice torque.
Wonder what replacement turbos will cost as well as the high tech gadgetry in the 335's

At least the M3 has been in production longer and replacement parts are more readily available. Either way, Euro's are an arm and a leg to maintain and replace parts
Appreciate 0
      11-26-2008, 07:12 PM   #34
agentm
Private
agentm's Avatar
0
Rep
97
Posts

 
Drives: M3, X3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everywhere

iTrader: (0)

I had this question for awhile. I have a 04 M3 and I wanted to sell it for 2 years now. I did try to compare the 335 to my M. For 2 years I still have my M because I can't find the styling as nice as the M on 335. I have seen a modded 335 and just didn't feel the same as my modded M. This is me but other might feel the different way. Get the M, I haven't had a problem yet.
Appreciate 0
      11-26-2008, 11:22 PM   #35
watrob
Major
watrob's Avatar
Australia
25
Rep
1,496
Posts

 
Drives: MY2013 X5M 50d - White
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Brisbane - Australia

iTrader: (0)

I had a e46 M3 and loved it and I might even buy another one just to put in the garage for keep sake!

Get a M!
__________________

X5 M50d White, 20"rims, Adaptive Drive, HUD, Xenon Adapt Lights, Rear/Side Camera, Sunroof, Auto Tailgate, Comfort Access, Active Perforated Ventilated Comfort Seats, M Paddle Shift, Active Crus, Stop/Go, Proff Nav + TV, DAB, 16 Spk Ind HiFi, USB, Internet, Apps, 4 Zone Air, Towbar 20% Tint, 5mm Castor Bushes, Yellow Calipers, Ceramic Pads
Appreciate 0
      12-07-2008, 05:29 PM   #36
Curt2000
Colonel
Curt2000's Avatar
United_States
70
Rep
2,566
Posts

 
Drives: '13 ///M3
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sin City

iTrader: (24)

I kinda like my 335i better...especialy when im putting tarc lengths on e46 M3's when all I have is about $1K worth of mods.
__________________

Current Car: '13 SANTORINI BLUE E92///M3--6MT/Speed Cloth/ZCP (ED Thread)
Former Cars:'10 E90 335i MSport / '07 Interlagos ///M5 / '09 135i / '10 E93 335i
Instagram: @C2KMotorsports
Appreciate 0
      12-07-2008, 09:22 PM   #37
ase2dais
//Mdicted
ase2dais's Avatar
United_States
127
Rep
9,875
Posts

 
Drives: a Cop Magnet
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: 495 Ring

iTrader: (17)

Garage List
Body stylewise 335i has the advantage over the e46 body style, for performance and fun I feel e46 M3 especially now that the prices are dropping
Appreciate 0
      12-29-2008, 10:28 PM   #38
hexadecim8
Enlisted Member
0
Rep
40
Posts

 
Drives: e46 M3
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: at home

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curt2000 View Post
I kinda like my 335i better...especialy when im putting tarc lengths on e46 M3's when all I have is about $1K worth of mods.
wtf is a tarc? and shaddup
Appreciate 0
      12-30-2008, 10:49 AM   #39
Ken37.73
Private 1st Class
Ken37.73's Avatar
7
Rep
473
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3 Jet Black
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ireland

iTrader: (0)

M3 all the way. Buy a 335i and you will spend all of the time you own it wishing you had an M3. Buy the M3 and you will spend all of the time you own it prodding fun at the 335i owners on the "Vs" board. Say no more.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      12-30-2008, 11:17 AM   #40
ortontom
New Member
0
Rep
6
Posts

 
Drives: e46 M3 and e39 M5
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk

iTrader: (0)

bad idea to poll a comparison of an m3 e46 on an e46 forum???

as you are from the USA (mostly straight roads), the 335 would be better for you. I have an M5 and a M3 e46, i love the handling of the e46 but do miss the torque and in gear pull a torqy engine like the 335 & M5 would give you. With all those straight roads a 335 would be lovely, although i would miss the LSD......

But still a 335 in the US and a e46 M3 if living in the UK, does that help
Appreciate 0
      01-02-2009, 09:37 PM   #41
ChrisFastM3
Captain
ChrisFastM3's Avatar
25
Rep
676
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3 vert w/ LOTS of mods
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Miami, FL

iTrader: (0)

E46 M3 FTW
Appreciate 0
      01-03-2009, 01:13 AM   #42
imballin2day
Banned
United_States
16
Rep
571
Posts

 
Drives: M3 Dct Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LA

iTrader: (1)

Send a message via AIM to imballin2day
Get the e46!
Appreciate 0
      01-03-2009, 09:38 PM   #43
agentm
Private
agentm's Avatar
0
Rep
97
Posts

 
Drives: M3, X3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everywhere

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by matt beard View Post
The difference between a new vehicle and a used vehicle is like night and day. Purchasing a vehicle such as an m3, out of warrenty, is something of a gamble. An m3, although bmw quality, is a performance automobile therefore suceptible to failure far more so than a say Honda Civic. On the other hand, if you can afford a 335 that car is sick. Sure it isnt an m3, but it is a tt 6cylinder BMW with hecka curb appeal. And the pleasure of a car purchased from a dealer, new car smell and all, is lible to give you a chubby! 335 hands down
I have a 04 M3 with 35000km on it. I haven't had a problem with it. This car will cost lesser then the new 335.
Appreciate 0
      01-03-2009, 11:09 PM   #44
msile
Second Lieutenant
msile's Avatar
4
Rep
274
Posts

 
Drives: AW M3 Coupe
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida

iTrader: (2)

For the money, get the M3. I picked up an 04 E46 M3 in great shape, 50k miles with CPO until 2010 for 21k.
__________________
09 Alpine White E92 M3
08 Ultrasonic Blue ISF
08 Silver Alloy Metallic 350Z Nismo (track car)
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:10 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST