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      09-28-2008, 11:41 AM   #1
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A communism thread.

This is a theoretical thread regarding implementation of a real world scenario under which a medium sized European country would:

a) Reform its ownership system to public ownership
b) Reform its economic model to a centralized planning system
c) Institute a socialist (i.e "public benefit") spending policy. (Less tanks, more butter)
d) Preserve freedom of speech, religion, and journalistic integrity
e) Install a representative multi-party government, in which parties would be elected for 8-12 year terms, with 4 year party leader elections within the term.
(Parties would obviously have to be communist)

What I want is first, thoughts on drawbacks and positives of such a system from simply an economic view. Second, thoughts regarding international trade with such a country, and the possibility of allowing private ownership in sectors other than capital and public production, and therefore competitive market for consumer items.

What I don't want is bullshit from the proud single-digit IQ members on this board yelling general crap regarding socialist systems as a whole, nor a single mention of either McCain, Obama, Biden, Palin, or Clintons after this sentence. This is not a provacative thread, but a philosophicly-economical one. I want opinions from people who can not only have them, but be able to base them on either education or personal experience with economics as a study.
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      09-29-2008, 01:10 AM   #2
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a) Reform its ownership system to public ownership
b) Reform its economic model to a centralized planning system
c) Institute a socialist (i.e "public benefit") spending policy. (Less tanks, more butter)
d) Preserve freedom of speech, religion, and journalistic integrity
e) Install a representative multi-party government, in which parties would be elected for 8-12 year terms, with 4 year party leader elections within the term.
(Parties would obviously have to be communist)

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I'll play.

a) no incentive for profit. slow growth. why should I work harder than the other guy or take more risk? I reap the same.
b) bigger governement - more waste. more corruption. more beuracracy.
c) see b) above
d) freedoom? communism? I dont think there two have ever survived together for long. i think this condtion insured the failure of the communist government.
e) representative? freedom? true election? Yet the party HAS to be communist? hah! Fail!
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      09-29-2008, 07:46 AM   #3
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Well, the Communist Party was repressed in the US during the Cold War, so I would consider it the freedom of choice within a doctrine. Also freedom and communism were never intended to coexist therefore I specified which particular freedoms would be preserved. I would now like to add the freedom of profession choice.

Big waste is obvious with a command economy, that's simply natural - doesn't mean it's a bad economy. At the very basics, the country's production would be well within the production capabilities curve - in contrast to the current situation in the US where it has been outside of it simply due to "imaginary money", or at least imaginary ownership of taxpayer money.

Also, even in the USSR there was incentive for achievement - profit is still private sector I would argue, so this is a bit different. Public ownership of capital resources doesn't mean public ownership of labor. You can pay people according to pre-set "value" of their expertise and experience, as well as their past performance - it's not out of the boundaries of previously existing governments which adopted the Communist Manifesto, let alone the theoretical practice of it.

I'd certainly like more opinions, this is simply an educational excercise (and there you thought I was going to overthrow a capitalist economy in Europe, sorry to dissapoint )
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      09-29-2008, 08:42 AM   #4
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Sounds like someone needs help with social studies homework.
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