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      09-25-2008, 05:38 AM   #1
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EVO: M3 E90 vs C63 Performance Package

Indeed, both cars successfully balance hardcore horsepower with a tastefull palette of home comforts. As modern Teutonic interpretations of the classic American muscle car, they make the case. If what you crave in your four-door saloon, for instance, is colossal perfrormance delivered with the demeanour of an insouciant dragster, the C63 is almost certainly what you are looking for.

The depth of the M3's talent, however, is telling. For point-to-point pace it easily matches the Merc but, more than that, it feels special doing it - accurate, agile, finely balanced, biddable - where the Merc is merely accomplished. In short, the M3 saloon is sharper, cuts deeper and will keep you hooked for longer.


Bedford laptimes:
BMW M3: 1:26,2
Merc C63: 1:28,8
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      09-26-2008, 03:40 PM   #2
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well yet again the Benz, even with its extra 30 HP is slower around a track.....
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      09-26-2008, 04:14 PM   #3
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Anyone know the details of this new "Performance Package" for the c63?
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      09-26-2008, 04:41 PM   #4
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I really love that last line:
In short, the M3 saloon is sharper, cuts deeper and will keep you hooked for longer.
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      09-26-2008, 04:51 PM   #5
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from the press material....wonder how the stiffer suspension rides.

"AMG Performance Package Designed for the Race Track

For even crisper handling, the AMG performance package includes a limited-slip differential, stiffer suspension, composite (two-piece) perforated and ventilated front disc brakes and an AMG performance steering wheel wrapped in nappa leather. The AMG performance package was designed for owners who are serious about competing on the race track with their C63 AMG."
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      09-26-2008, 05:47 PM   #6
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from the press material....wonder how the stiffer suspension rides.

"AMG Performance Package Designed for the Race Track

For even crisper handling, the AMG performance package includes a limited-slip differential, stiffer suspension, composite (two-piece) perforated and ventilated front disc brakes and an AMG performance steering wheel wrapped in nappa leather. The AMG performance package was designed for owners who are serious about competing on the race track with their C63 AMG."
I haven't driven it myself, but I've heard some complaints that it's far too stiff for daily driving on roads that are anything less than perfect.
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      09-26-2008, 07:05 PM   #7
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I haven't driven it myself, but I've heard some complaints that it's far too stiff for daily driving on roads that are anything less than perfect.
I have an 09 C63 without the PP and it rides well. I love the suspension. Even my wife doesn't complain. It's firm but planted.
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      09-26-2008, 08:28 PM   #8
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from the press material....wonder how the stiffer suspension rides.

"AMG Performance Package Designed for the Race Track

For even crisper handling, the AMG performance package includes a limited-slip differential, stiffer suspension, composite (two-piece) perforated and ventilated front disc brakes and an AMG performance steering wheel wrapped in nappa leather. The AMG performance package was designed for owners who are serious about competing on the race track with their C63 AMG."
I think that the PP in the C63 only offers the LSD and top speed limiter increase. The rest of the equipment are yet to be produced due to a production problem for the US. I want to see how the real PP performs against the M3.
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      09-26-2008, 09:17 PM   #9
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I think that the PP in the C63 only offers the LSD and top speed limiter increase. The rest of the equipment are yet to be produced due to a production problem for the US. I want to see how the real PP performs against the M3.
I believe the car in this test had the full P30 package - EVO's car was in the UK.

Also, US cars are now coming with the "Full" P30 AMG Performance package if you order/want it.

OT but I'm happy with my non-P30 car. I don't doubt the M3 feels more balanced at the edge and is quicker around a track. But (repeating myself) there are many cars that are better/more suited on a track than either of these IMO....
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I have pulled the trigger on an '09 C63 with 030 PP. Should be the best of both worlds having it lined up on my garage next to my M-DCT M3.

After having used my 05 ZCP M3 as a daily driver for about a year I have no concerns about a C63 with PP being too stiff
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      09-27-2008, 01:57 AM   #11
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so what is your point?
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Here you are:
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetev...v-c63-amg.html
Got this in my emailbox a few days ago....

Yesterday the new EVO mag still wasn't for sale in the shops. Maybe today.
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      09-27-2008, 11:08 AM   #13
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I think that the PP in the C63 only offers the LSD and top speed limiter increase. The rest of the equipment are yet to be produced due to a production problem for the US. I want to see how the real PP performs against the M3.
Correct only LSD and top speed limiter increase. Useless package. The LSD isn't necessary in this car, both wheels lock up anyway when you step on the gas. You never have to worry about spinning one wheel.

I now have a '08 MT M3 and parked right next to it in my garage a '09 C63 just joined it. Two totally different cars. In my opinion the only thing they share in common is a similar price. Both are great.
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The '09s that are being produced now can come with the full performance package ( brakes, suspension, lsd, limiter removal and alcantara steering wheel )

This is how my car is equipped
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      09-27-2008, 04:37 PM   #15
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I am sure this C63 had the full package which included the LSD and the stiffer suspension.

Was a little surprised to see the M3 commanding such a difference given that the stock C63 wasn't much slower in previous tests but there you go. What this proves is in the right hands the M3 is still king, though I bet most here will post identical times in either car so close is their performance and so high is their levels of grip. Meaning you will run out of balls before the car will give up the ghost.
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      09-28-2008, 08:31 PM   #16
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Not surprising...good to hear
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      09-28-2008, 10:43 PM   #17
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Nice. Always love reading EVO reviews.
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I have pulled the trigger on an '09 C63 with 030 PP. Should be the best of both worlds having it lined up on my garage next to my M-DCT M3.

After having used my 05 ZCP M3 as a daily driver for about a year I have no concerns about a C63 with PP being too stiff
Nice choice, that will be cool.
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      09-29-2008, 02:00 AM   #19
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Nice choice, that will be cool.
I think so too. It will be my first Merc and it will be a blast.

Ill still be enjoying the hell out of my M3 as well
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