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      09-12-2008, 12:07 AM   #23
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If your going to learn on the internet, might as well learn from the BEST.

I present the original Drift King: Keiichi Tsuchiya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiichi_Tsuchiya

Each part of this 6 part series discusses the different types of drift technique. I believe they also range from simplest to hardest to perform. But its been a while since I watched them so don't quote me on that.

1. Side (E-brake)
2. Shift Lock
3. Power Over
4. Braking
5. Feint
6. Lift Off

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6.


Enjoy and be safe. I'd go out to a wide open parking lot before you actually try this on the track.
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      09-12-2008, 04:48 AM   #24
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Well first of all... track driving is about grip...not drift. When you drift your car, you'll lose traction and that translates to a slower lap time.

That said... if you insist on some show boating... here's a few pointers. The most popular form of drifting is power over steer. This is what to do id you want to kick your tail out and make some smoke.

Here's some physics... understanding it will help you drift. Firstly, a car acclerates - this term includrs all change in velocity (brake, turn, speed up...) with the friction force provided by the wheels and the road surface. There are 2 kinds of frictions: static and kinetic. When there is no slipperage between the wheel and the road, static friction is in play vice versa. Static friction is higher than kinetic thus can offer more accleration.

You can apply as much force as you want to the wheels (by using the gas, brake or steering) until it equal the force of static friction. Beyond that, you will get wheel slipperage...aka drifting.

So here's what you do. First you approach the corner normally as if you are not drifting. After turn in, once you achieved steady load on your wheels give it some gas. SInce your wheels is already at the threshold of static friction, the force given by additional gas will push the rear wheels over the limit and sliperage would occur.

To control the yaw angle, you must regulate the your throttle. Reducing power to get partial hook up (meaning using more static friction) will give you more grip and bring the back in. Giving more gas is the opposite.

Steering wise: treat it as a suppliment form of control. Good drifters balacing their cars using the gas and not the steering wheels. One important trick to remember is look at where you want to go. Your brain will then figure out what to do with your hands.

Gearing wise: you need to be in a low enough gear that you can have enough torque to force the driving wheel lose. Steeping on the clutch and poping is also another method to initiate the drift; however, it is more difficult.

The most important thing about drifting is practice. I usually don't drift for fun. My drifting skills are picked up during different track events.

All I can say is have fun and enjoy your track day!
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      09-12-2008, 06:11 AM   #25
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All the videos I have seen make it look so easy and fun...
It's harder than it looks.
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      09-12-2008, 06:26 AM   #26
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It's harder than it looks.
It's not, actually. Within a few weks I post some pics of us drifting around. A revvable engine + lsd= the way to go.

4 years ago, Germany. I'm at 2minute 26s with my former E46 M3.Rest are friends of mine. Fantastic.
The E34 grey 5 series belongs to the dutch drifter Paul Vlasblom(he drifted the Dutch SS II M3 sedan a few months ago, autoblog.nl google it, you know the movie)

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who paid 70k???....I got $10,000 off list..out the door 58k...
Of course you paid 10 below. You're in Minnesota. BMWNA needs to sell at least one car in every state to qualify for charitable tax status. Their efforts to sell an M3 in New Jersey (that's Fuckin' Jersey to you pal) were recently thwarted by the introduction of the Datsun GT-R.
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Not at Sears or Motorwerks.
yeah no shit. Motorwerks still has 4 08s on the lot they are unwilling to discount one cent...
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All I know is that I don't want to be driving on the track you will be driving on.

Go to a skidpad instead of a track, preferably a wet one so that you don't wreck your car, run into someone, destroy your tires, etc. When you spin your car for the first time, and you will spin your car if you follow some of the advice posted here, a skipad/frozen lake is where you want to be. Contact your local BMW chapter. They should have car control skills courses.
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Even though if the ice is thick enough its perfectly safe... I still just wouldn't drive my M3 onto a frozen lake.

I'd love to see a video of someone doing it though.
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Even though if the ice is thick enough its perfectly safe... I still just wouldn't drive my M3 onto a frozen lake.

I'd love to see a video of someone doing it though.
Agreed ha ha
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It's not, actually. Within a few weks I post some pics of us drifting around. A revvable engine + lsd= the way to go.

4 years ago, Germany. I'm at 2minute 26s with my former E46 M3.Rest are friends of mine. Fantastic.
The E34 grey 5 series belongs to the dutch drifter Paul Vlasblom(he drifted the Dutch SS II M3 sedan a few months ago, autoblog.nl google it, you know the movie)

Nice videos.

However, it is certainly much much harder with a dry track
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hey - If Cindy McCain can do it - why not the OP?
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      09-13-2008, 04:23 AM   #34
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hey - If Cindy McCain can do it - why not the OP?
Who is Cindy McCain?
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Who is Cindy McCain?
Sebastian Vettel's girlfriend.
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Alright, sorry, John McCain's wife. Didn't know that. Some things you just don't know. But now I do.

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Sebastian Vettel's girlfriend.


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It's actually really easy in the M3 because it's so balanced and that LSD works so well. It's just like on the snow except you are going a lot faster and have to be more aggressive with the steering and throttle inputs.

1) flick the car slightly the opposite direction of the turn (if you are turning right, slight flick to the left) - this loads the outside tires more dramatically.
2) turn in too much
3) use too much throttle, but not too too much. You have to use just the right amount of too much throttle.
4) use too much throttle and too much steering angle to hold it (steering angle back the *other* way after it starts)
5) push in the clutch and brake when you spin
6) figure out some sort of legitimate explanation for event organizers for your hoodlum behavior
7) video the whole thing and post on youtube.com, yo boieee
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Does the OP realize he'll go through a set of PS2s in one day if he's drifting on them? I guess with the money he saved by buying his car below invoice price he can afford it.
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hey man by what I was reading seems like you have had no experience with drifting, if I were you with low or no experience with drifting, I would not try to drift in an M3 no matter how cheap I got it for.

But a couple of my friends drift and they have 240SXs. If you want to learn get a 240SX they are cheap cars for like $2.5k you could get a S13 aka 240SX before the 95 year mark. The 90-94 are best becuz they are cheaper. After you should learn by trial and error in the 240 chances are your going to crash you car so once your confident at drifting in a 2.5k car then you can move on to the M3. I would hate to c anything bad happen to such a beautiful luxuriously fast car.

The easiest way to start a drift in any car is to slightly pull the e-brake while your turning this will make the back end loose grip but as mentioned before DRIFT BIBLE IS THE BEST RESOURCE ON HOW TO. The guy teaching it used to be into racing and every1 would be so board to see him win cuz they already new that Keiichi Tsuchiya was going to win and so to entertain them he made the car slide and thus make the sport more interesting.

Currently they made drifting a sport of itself in the US its called Forumla D (for drift). Drifting was made for more entertainment but if you dont know how to drift I recommend you practice in a Nissan 240SX or a cheaper car.

Mastering how to drift will help you improve your weight transition during turns and thus slightly improve lap times by reducing your need to really brake but it is usually used b/c it looks cool. Well good luck and take care hopefully this information helped you.
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You don't because only retards and ricers think that drifting through a corner is actually faster.

couldn't agree more!
Also, the track is not for trying things that you never did before. It's for improving techniques that you had a chance to practice in low risk enviroment. For example, you don't want to try heal and toe for the first time traveling at 140 mls/h approaching a 90 degree turn.
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Drifting is just fun and controlling the car, also in difficult situations, is what I want, on the street and on the track. 1/4mile runs are nothing for me, sorry.

Fun isn't around the corner, fun IS the corner

Just me, as I already posted in the video forum, yesterday:


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You are kidding, right?

Are you going to take a $70 car and throw it into a high speed slide based on information gleaned from an internet forum?

PT Barnum said it best.
I believe he bought this car for fun

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1. get car and life insurance
2. turn off DSC
3. turn hard into corner in low gear
4. step on the gas
5. counter steer to correct direction
6. repeat 3-5 as needed
haha ... man i love your posts ... 1,2,3,4,5 - done
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Step 1 and 1a were missed above.

Step 1. Go buy a $2000 used Nissan 240 SX.
Step 1a. Put your M3 in the garage.
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