Pirelli PZero Nero vs. Micheline Pilot Sport PS2

KonigsTiger · 09-01-2008, 11:50 AM

OK, what do you guys think? Which tire performs better on the E92 M3? Pirelli PZero Nero in 305 ir the rear or Micheline Pilot Sport PS2 in 295 also rear. Front same sizes?

icemang17 · 09-01-2008, 05:02 PM

Ps2's by a mile.......Pirellis are marginal at best

epbrown · 09-01-2008, 06:08 PM

The PS2 is the best summer performance tire out right now, period. And I've got P-zeros on my M Coupe right now.

GregW / Oregon · 09-01-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by epbrown

The PS2 is the best summer performance tire out right now, period. And I've got P-zeros on my M Coupe right now.

Tire Rack's test would disagree with you. Of course, this was on an IS300, and every car will be a little different. Almost too claose to call, but here the Pirelli had an overall advantage, and the Potenza even more so:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...irePageLocQty=

sayemthree · 09-01-2008, 07:21 PM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

tire rack rated the p-zero just 0.01 better than the PSC overall.

consolidated · 09-01-2008, 07:29 PM

You guys are all talking about different tires, Greg's test is for the Nero against the Michelin Pilot Sport, not the PS2. The Nero is underneath the P-Zero in performance. The Pilot Sport was superceded by the PS2.

Out of the OP, the PS2 will be the best tire, I have Neros on the 325 DD, they're okay, but no PS2.

The PS2 usually goes against the P-Zero, not the Nero. Cups are talked about in relation to the P-Zero Corsa.

consolidated · 09-01-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sayemthree

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

tire rack rated the p-zero just 0.01 better than the PSC overall.

That test is for the P-Zero vs. the Pilot Sport 2, not Cups. PS Cups and P-Zero Corsa are higher up the grip ladder.

TonyTone · 09-01-2008, 09:07 PM

Im running 285/30 Nitto Invo which I love so far!! Im waiting for Nitto to launch the 295/25 before I change my rears into anything else. If money is NOT an option please get the PS2, you will not regret!!!

**ben@tirerack** · 09-02-2008, 09:46 AM

To clarify, that test that GregW posted compares the old Pilot Sport (directional tread) with the P-Zero Nero.

The PS2 is superior overall to the tires in that old test.

To give Pirelli its due, the new P-Zero (not Nero, not Rosso, not System, just plain P Zero) is a monster in terms of grip and handling. I have driven this tire on the track and came away very impressed. Not as quiet as a PS2, and the handling feel of the PS2 is still hard to beat, but the new P-Zero was faster around our track. Note the incredible wet traction in our test results.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

KonigsTiger · 09-02-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

To clarify, that test that GregW posted compares the old Pilot Sport (directional tread) with the P-Zero Nero.

The PS2 is superior overall to the tires in that old test.

To give Pirelli its due, the new P-Zero (not Nero, not Rosso, not System, just plain P Zero) is a monster in terms of grip and handling. I have driven this tire on the track and came away very impressed. Not as quiet as a PS2, and the handling feel of the PS2 is still hard to beat, but the new P-Zero was faster around our track. Note the incredible wet traction in our test results.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

Nice, very nice!!! Thanks for posting this. For the record, I already have PS2s but they are not made in 305 for the rear as are the Perelli and was thinking of switching but only if performance is very, very similar. I will NOT if peformance is degraded in any way. Plus, I just looked into it and PZero is not made in 305 for the rear.

!!

footie · 09-02-2008, 10:57 AM

Based on my own experience of both brands I would prefer the Michelins but I had a choice of any brand I would have Goodyear over all of them. Goodyear seem to maintain a better overall balance in both dry and wet conditions, something Michelin aren't as good at.

KonigsTiger · 09-02-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by footie

Based on my own experience of both brands I would prefer the Michelins but I had a choice of any brand I would have Goodyear over all of them.

Wow, that is a first! I have absolutely no experiance with Goodyears.

footie · 09-02-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Wow, that is a first! I have absolutely no experiance with Goodyears.

Here a test done in 2007 by Autocar.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallp...=228551&Mode=B

And another by Autoexpress

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/product...tyre_test.html

Test conducted by EVO

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...-tyre-test.htm

I think a pattern is forming here.

GregW / Oregon · 09-02-2008, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consolidated

You guys are all talking about different tires, Greg's test is for the Nero against the Michelin Pilot Sport, not the PS2. The Nero is underneath the P-Zero in performance. The Pilot Sport was superceded by the PS2.

Sorry, you're right--my bad. The PS2 is a lot better than the old PS.

GeriFix · 09-03-2008, 05:01 AM

I don't know about the PZero Nero, but the BMW Driver Training M3s in Australia are fitted with Pirelli PZeros. I must say, I was very impressed with the grip and cornering offered by these tyres.

When asked why they used these tyres instead of the original Michelin PS2, they said that they were better suited to being flogged around the track and were much less prone to side wall wear than the PS2s. They are sponsored by Pirelli, so I'd take this with a grain of salt .... but the on track performance, as I said, is impressive.

M3zifier · 09-03-2008, 07:36 AM

I had good experience with both. I would go with PZero here just for the few extra inches on the ground

KonigsTiger · 09-03-2008, 11:30 AM

Nice, thanks a lot for all the reviews!!

GT3 Tim · 09-03-2008, 12:08 PM

PS2's all the way.

KonigsTiger · 09-03-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

PS2's all the way.

Thanks Tim!! I am inclined to agree.

FranklinDelanoBluth · 09-05-2008, 09:28 PM

Forget the Nero, get the new P Zero. I think they are much better than the Michelin PS2.

KonigsTiger · 09-06-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FranklinDelanoBluth

Forget the Nero, get the new P Zero. I think they are much better than the Michelin PS2.

I agree, but they unfortunately don't make the PZero in the 305 width, only the Nero!!

FranklinDelanoBluth · 09-08-2008, 06:32 PM

Do you really need the 305 rear if you would get PS2's in a 295?

View Poll Results: Which tire performs better?
Pirelli PZero Nero (305 rear/245 front)	13	27.08%
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (295 rear/245 front)	35	72.92%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

09-01-2008, 11:50 AM	#1
KonigsTiger Racying Dynamics Drives: E92M3 RS46 Club Sport, others Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dweller Posts: 4,398 iTrader: (0)	Pirelli PZero Nero vs. Micheline Pilot Sport PS2 OK, what do you guys think? Which tire performs better on the E92 M3? Pirelli PZero Nero in 305 ir the rear or Micheline Pilot Sport PS2 in 295 also rear. Front same sizes? __________________ ==================================================
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09-01-2008, 05:02 PM	#2
icemang17 Captain Drives: 2008 E92 M3 DCT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockton CA Posts: 644 iTrader: (0)	Ps2's by a mile.......Pirellis are marginal at best __________________ Brian 2008 E92 M3, MR, DCT, extended BB leather, loaded! 1988 Porsche 928S4, Guards red/Champagne leather 1989 Porsche 928S4 track beast!!!

09-02-2008, 09:46 AM	#9
ben@tirerack M3Post Supporting Vendor Drives: 740i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 726 iTrader: (0)	To clarify, that test that GregW posted compares the old Pilot Sport (directional tread) with the P-Zero Nero. The PS2 is superior overall to the tires in that old test. To give Pirelli its due, the new P-Zero (not Nero, not Rosso, not System, just plain P Zero) is a monster in terms of grip and handling. I have driven this tire on the track and came away very impressed. Not as quiet as a PS2, and the handling feel of the PS2 is still hard to beat, but the new P-Zero was faster around our track. Note the incredible wet traction in our test results. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98 __________________ _______________________________________________ To credit the forum, click through one of the banners in my signature and the top of the page, or call me direct at 877.522.8473 ext 660. Email:ben@tirerack.com

09-03-2008, 05:01 AM	#15
GeriFix Lieutenant Drives: BMW M3 E92; MG TF 160; C2 VTS Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 531 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 E92 [0.00]	I don't know about the PZero Nero, but the BMW Driver Training M3s in Australia are fitted with Pirelli PZeros. I must say, I was very impressed with the grip and cornering offered by these tyres. When asked why they used these tyres instead of the original Michelin PS2, they said that they were better suited to being flogged around the track and were much less prone to side wall wear than the PS2s. They are sponsored by Pirelli, so I'd take this with a grain of salt .... but the on track performance, as I said, is impressive. __________________

09-01-2008, 06:08 PM	#3
epbrown Colonel Drives: BMW M Coupe, Porsche Boxster S Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,133 iTrader: (0)	The PS2 is the best summer performance tire out right now, period. And I've got P-zeros on my M Coupe right now.

09-01-2008, 07:21 PM	#5
sayemthree Brigadier General Drives: bmw Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: usa Posts: 4,844 iTrader: (0)	http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98 tire rack rated the p-zero just 0.01 better than the PSC overall.

09-01-2008, 07:29 PM	#6
consolidated Major Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253 iTrader: (1)	You guys are all talking about different tires, Greg's test is for the Nero against the Michelin Pilot Sport, not the PS2. The Nero is underneath the P-Zero in performance. The Pilot Sport was superceded by the PS2. Out of the OP, the PS2 will be the best tire, I have Neros on the 325 DD, they're okay, but no PS2. The PS2 usually goes against the P-Zero, not the Nero. Cups are talked about in relation to the P-Zero Corsa.

09-01-2008, 09:07 PM	#8
TonyTone Major Drives: M3 VERT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FL Posts: 1,179 iTrader: (0)	Im running 285/30 Nitto Invo which I love so far!! Im waiting for Nitto to launch the 295/25 before I change my rears into anything else. If money is NOT an option please get the PS2, you will not regret!!!

09-02-2008, 10:57 AM	#11
footie Major General Drives: ???????????? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: BMW M3 will get a V6TT Posts: 7,508 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 E92 M3 [0.00]	Based on my own experience of both brands I would prefer the Michelins but I had a choice of any brand I would have Goodyear over all of them. Goodyear seem to maintain a better overall balance in both dry and wet conditions, something Michelin aren't as good at.

09-03-2008, 07:36 AM	#16
M3zifier Enlisted Member Drives: M3 2009 Convertible Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 36 iTrader: (0)	I had good experience with both. I would go with PZero here just for the few extra inches on the ground

09-03-2008, 11:30 AM	#17
KonigsTiger Racying Dynamics Drives: E92M3 RS46 Club Sport, others Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dweller Posts: 4,398 iTrader: (0)	Nice, thanks a lot for all the reviews!! __________________ ==================================================

09-03-2008, 12:08 PM	#18
GT3 Tim Moderator Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,883 iTrader: (0)	PS2's all the way. __________________ Tim (apparently likes "3" cars) E90 M3 -- Current ride 2004 GT3 -- Sold 1997 M3/4 -- Sold 1995 M3 -- Sold

09-05-2008, 09:28 PM	#20
FranklinDelanoBluth New Member Drives: E92 M3, F430 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 25 iTrader: (0)	Forget the Nero, get the new P Zero. I think they are much better than the Michelin PS2.

09-08-2008, 06:32 PM	#22
FranklinDelanoBluth New Member Drives: E92 M3, F430 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 25 iTrader: (0)	Do you really need the 305 rear if you would get PS2's in a 295?

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