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      09-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #1
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Pirelli PZero Nero vs. Micheline Pilot Sport PS2

OK, what do you guys think? Which tire performs better on the E92 M3? Pirelli PZero Nero in 305 ir the rear or Micheline Pilot Sport PS2 in 295 also rear. Front same sizes?
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Ps2's by a mile.......Pirellis are marginal at best
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The PS2 is the best summer performance tire out right now, period. And I've got P-zeros on my M Coupe right now.
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The PS2 is the best summer performance tire out right now, period. And I've got P-zeros on my M Coupe right now.
Tire Rack's test would disagree with you. Of course, this was on an IS300, and every car will be a little different. Almost too claose to call, but here the Pirelli had an overall advantage, and the Potenza even more so:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...irePageLocQty=
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

tire rack rated the p-zero just 0.01 better than the PSC overall.
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You guys are all talking about different tires, Greg's test is for the Nero against the Michelin Pilot Sport, not the PS2. The Nero is underneath the P-Zero in performance. The Pilot Sport was superceded by the PS2.

Out of the OP, the PS2 will be the best tire, I have Neros on the 325 DD, they're okay, but no PS2.

The PS2 usually goes against the P-Zero, not the Nero. Cups are talked about in relation to the P-Zero Corsa.
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98

tire rack rated the p-zero just 0.01 better than the PSC overall.
That test is for the P-Zero vs. the Pilot Sport 2, not Cups. PS Cups and P-Zero Corsa are higher up the grip ladder.
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Im running 285/30 Nitto Invo which I love so far!! Im waiting for Nitto to launch the 295/25 before I change my rears into anything else. If money is NOT an option please get the PS2, you will not regret!!!
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To clarify, that test that GregW posted compares the old Pilot Sport (directional tread) with the P-Zero Nero.

The PS2 is superior overall to the tires in that old test.

To give Pirelli its due, the new P-Zero (not Nero, not Rosso, not System, just plain P Zero) is a monster in terms of grip and handling. I have driven this tire on the track and came away very impressed. Not as quiet as a PS2, and the handling feel of the PS2 is still hard to beat, but the new P-Zero was faster around our track. Note the incredible wet traction in our test results.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98
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To clarify, that test that GregW posted compares the old Pilot Sport (directional tread) with the P-Zero Nero.

The PS2 is superior overall to the tires in that old test.

To give Pirelli its due, the new P-Zero (not Nero, not Rosso, not System, just plain P Zero) is a monster in terms of grip and handling. I have driven this tire on the track and came away very impressed. Not as quiet as a PS2, and the handling feel of the PS2 is still hard to beat, but the new P-Zero was faster around our track. Note the incredible wet traction in our test results.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ay.jsp?ttid=98
Nice, very nice!!! Thanks for posting this. For the record, I already have PS2s but they are not made in 305 for the rear as are the Perelli and was thinking of switching but only if performance is very, very similar. I will NOT if peformance is degraded in any way. Plus, I just looked into it and PZero is not made in 305 for the rear. !!
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Based on my own experience of both brands I would prefer the Michelins but I had a choice of any brand I would have Goodyear over all of them. Goodyear seem to maintain a better overall balance in both dry and wet conditions, something Michelin aren't as good at.
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Based on my own experience of both brands I would prefer the Michelins but I had a choice of any brand I would have Goodyear over all of them.
Wow, that is a first! I have absolutely no experiance with Goodyears.
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Wow, that is a first! I have absolutely no experiance with Goodyears.
Here a test done in 2007 by Autocar.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallp...=228551&Mode=B

And another by Autoexpress

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/product...tyre_test.html

Test conducted by EVO

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...-tyre-test.htm

I think a pattern is forming here.
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You guys are all talking about different tires, Greg's test is for the Nero against the Michelin Pilot Sport, not the PS2. The Nero is underneath the P-Zero in performance. The Pilot Sport was superceded by the PS2.
Sorry, you're right--my bad. The PS2 is a lot better than the old PS.
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I don't know about the PZero Nero, but the BMW Driver Training M3s in Australia are fitted with Pirelli PZeros. I must say, I was very impressed with the grip and cornering offered by these tyres.

When asked why they used these tyres instead of the original Michelin PS2, they said that they were better suited to being flogged around the track and were much less prone to side wall wear than the PS2s. They are sponsored by Pirelli, so I'd take this with a grain of salt .... but the on track performance, as I said, is impressive.
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I had good experience with both. I would go with PZero here just for the few extra inches on the ground
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Nice, thanks a lot for all the reviews!!
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PS2's all the way.
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Thanks Tim!! I am inclined to agree.
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Forget the Nero, get the new P Zero. I think they are much better than the Michelin PS2.
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Forget the Nero, get the new P Zero. I think they are much better than the Michelin PS2.
I agree, but they unfortunately don't make the PZero in the 305 width, only the Nero!!
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Do you really need the 305 rear if you would get PS2's in a 295?
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