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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...ndablecar.aspx 2008 J.D. Power reliability survey Lexus 120 Mercury 151 Cadillac 155 Toyota 159 Acura 160 Buick 163 BMW 164 Lincoln 165 Honda 177 Jaguar 178 Porsche 193 Mitsubishi 197 Hyundai 200 Ford 204 Infiniti 204 Industry average 206 Audi 207 Mercedes-Benz 215 Nissan 224 Pontiac 225 GMC 226 Mazda 228 Subaru 228 Chrysler 229 Dodge 230 Mini 233 Chevrolet 239 Hummer 241 Scion 243 Volvo 244 Saturn 250 Jeep 253 Volkswagen 253 Saab 254 Isuzu 274 Kia 278 Suzuki 302 Land Rover 344 Source: J.D. Power |
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Don't think it will crack 8 minutes with SportAuto. Their 7:58 time was done with the race car driver Heinracy. In the up coming Road and Track test, Heinracy in the CTS-V will be pitted against Bill Auberlin in the M5.... This will be interesting.
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With the American market the way it is, we'll see how long caddy is allowed to make cars of this calibur. I wouldnt buy one personally but man what a car!!!
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I don't want to sound arrogant but Americans except a standard which we in Europe wouldn't, like the fit and finish of American cars, they are improved for the European market (i.e. built with better materials). Maybe those that do buy from else where expect higher standards from their European products and may be expecting too much, remember there is a huge price difference between buying US and buying European. Also you are a very patriotic bunch which may explain why they is so many US brands near the top.
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Road & Track's Results...
I'm not going to give any spoilers. Here's the link to the result of R&T's CTS-V vs. E60 M5 track showdown:
CTS-V vs. M5
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Ha....if GM calls that victory, they are shortsighted. What happen to the HP advantage? What happened to sucking the doors off the M5??!!?? EDIT: Interesting comment that the track data appears to be identical between the cars, i.e. top speed.... considering they are so different by design.
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G.M. basically took aim at a 3 year old target and equaled it, but did not surpass it. Road and Track's log showed virtually identical speeds at all places on the track, even the straightaways where I would have expected the CTS-V to pull away.
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BTW, if my post doesn't show....I have tremendous respect for GM engineers who are working in a less than ideal environment at GM..... Even with this level of engineering and testing, BMW ///M must be commended by delivering this level of performance 4 years ago. I just hope BMW doesn't screw up the M division with all the re-organization they are doing right now.....
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Not wanting to wave the Audi flag but on every comparison test involving the RS6 with the M5 the win has went to the big Audi on every track and the win has been more than this small half a second we see here.
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If you can show a similar test of your beloved RS6 vs. M5 (i.e. race drivers on the same day at the same track), you are wasting text trying to convince people, that the RS6 is superior. EDIT: The problem with magazine racing is that it never takes into account driver and conditions. This is why this test is awesome. Also if you were to believe the 7:58 from Cadillac, a magazine racer would have believe the CTS-V blows away the M5, which it doesn't.
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Google it TB, you info is there. Autocar tested both and on their dry handling course the RS6 lapped in 1:14.7 against the M5's 1:17.1, that is a decent improvement in lap time by my reckoning. P.S. This comment of mine is purely based on ability and not entertainment, on that front the RS6 would be soundly beaten. |
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See my other post.... I love the R&T test because we know the paid Cadillac drivers and BMW drivers are going to leave everything on the track. Same conditions and competitive drivers. It doesn't get any better as a test. I would love to see the RS6 vs. M5 in similar circumstances.
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Honestly 5-10 years ago, if someone told me Caddy would make a car that slightly beat a BMW "M" car. I would have laughed in their face. Consider the price difference, I say the CTS-V is one hell of a value. I give them tremendous credit, well done GM.
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Everything I've read about BMW's //M division says they operate more or less autonomously. I think BMW is smart enough not to fix that which is not broken.
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