trackday insurance

[ihyln]

Anyone have some insight on this? I'm looking into making sure I'm covered when the time comes.

[JEllis]

I have never heard of this... at least not for private owners....

Jason

[man02195]

Originally Posted by ihyln

Anyone have some insight on this? I'm looking into making sure I'm covered when the time comes.

long thread here:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135117

[ihyln]

Good stuff. Thanks. As I expected not a lot of clear answers from insurance companies. I'm also afraid of calling mine up to ask.

[drburton]

Call up and ask, can't hurt. I tracked my Porsche several times and called my agent (Allstate) and they said I was covered. The only exception being if I was actually 'racing'.

[lucid]

What an agent tells you on the phone or in-person, and what they decide to do when something goes wrong can be entirely different things.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152124

I have heard that Allstate has covered some minor body to damage to cars in BMW CCA events. But if you total it, they might just deny it, and you might end up in court arguing over the gray items such as what constitutes racing, competition, high risk, normal driving situation, etc...

[sayemthree]

my policy has absolutely no metion of exclusing due to racing or track use?

[lucid]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

my policy has absolutely no metion of exclusing due to racing or track use?

Which company? Are there any specific refences to use on public roads, normal driving conditions, risky driving, etc? You surely cannot use the car to jump over buses. There must be some kind of exclusion for high risk scenarios, and reference to "normal" driving.

[Dascamel]

On e90post tons of threads on this. I wouldn't call your agent though.
1) If they you are covered be sure to get it in writing, few cases of people getting burned by this.
2) Carriers have dropped people for asking.
3) There are track specific policies out there based on total value on your car.
4) Read your policies carefully, most of the major providers have clauses that include "high speed" and on a dedicated race track for exclusions.
5) I'm not a lawyer, if in doubt get profesional advice.

[Feffman]

We (www.MVPTrackTime.com) have been searching for on-track insurance to point our attendees to for a while. Through the track day grape vine, we found:

Ryan Staub
Lockton Affinity Insurance Group
PO Box 410679
Kansas City, MO 64141
Tel: 913.652.7588
Mobile: 913.908.7280
Fax: 913.652.4588
Email: rstaub@locktonaffinity.com

It covers on track and you can purchase it event by event. Just an FYI!

Mark Pfeffer

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Feffman

We (www.MVPTrackTime.com) have been searching for on-track insurance to point our attendees to for a while. Through the track day grape vine, we found:

Ryan Staub
Lockton Affinity Insurance Group
PO Box 410679
Kansas City, MO 64141
Tel: 913.652.7588
Mobile: 913.908.7280
Fax: 913.652.4588
Email: rstaub@locktonaffinity.com

It covers on track and you can purchase it event by event. Just an FYI!

Mark Pfeffer

Thanks for the info. Has anyone running with your group had experience with filing a claim? If so, do you know if this particular company was responsive?

[Feffman]

Originally Posted by lucid

Thanks for the info. Has anyone running with your group had experience with filing a claim? If so, do you know if this particular company was responsive?

Lucid:

The program is just out of the box, but Lockton-Affinity in Kansas City has an outstanding reputation in the industry.

Feff

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Feffman

Lucid:

The program is just out of the box, but Lockton-Affinity in Kansas City has an outstanding reputation in the industry.

Feff

OK, thanks.

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by lucid

Which company? Are there any specific refences to use on public roads, normal driving conditions, risky driving, etc? You surely cannot use the car to jump over buses. There must be some kind of exclusion for high risk scenarios, and reference to "normal" driving.

not covered:

stuff like nuclear war, terrorism, mold, mildew, etc. doesnt exclude jumping buses.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

doesnt exclude jumping buses.

you're all set for stunt driving then if you are ever in the mood!

[lucid]

Anyone have experience with this insurance company/broker which seems to be providing HDPE specific coverage?

http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

[footie]

If it isn't mentioned on your policy then you aren't covered and what ever the broker says means nothing unless you hear it from the insurer.

I haven't tracked for some years now but back when I did there were specialist companies doing trackday insurance, all in all the price wasn't to bad but it was only third party, so it only covered the damage you did to someone else.

Always find out from the insurer and not the broker, and get it in writing.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by footie

I haven't tracked for some years now but back when I did there were specialist companies doing trackday insurance, all in all the price wasn't to bad but it was only third party, so it only covered the damage you did to someone else.

The link I posted references a broker which seems to offer track day insurance which will cover damages to your own car only. It's about $250 for $40k coverage per event (number of days seems to be irrelevant), which is probably reasonable assuming the car would have salvage value even after most accidents.

[footie]

Originally Posted by lucid

The link I posted references a broker which seems to offer track day insurance which will cover damages to your own car only. It's about $250 for $40k coverage per event (number of days seems to be irrelevant), which is probably reasonable assuming the car would have salvage value even after most accidents.

That is not too bad at all, to cover your car up to $40K for this little is good value. The sad thing is most people don't do it and the chances of things going tits up on a track are much higher than on the street.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by footie

That is not too bad at all, to cover your car up to $40K for this little is good value. The sad thing is most people don't do it and the chances of things going tits up on a track are much higher than on the street.

Agreed. I am considering using it, but I need info on the underwriter's credibility.

[footie]

Tell me, do most of the trackdays you go to are well organised, like do they try and match up driver and car abilities or is it a free for all. In the latter the chance of someone pulling out into a quicker car's path is much greater and accidents are sure to occur.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by footie

Tell me, do most of the trackdays you go to are well organised, like do they try and match up driver and car abilities or is it a free for all. In the latter the chance of someone pulling out into a quicker car's path is much greater and accidents are sure to occur.

I track with BMW CCA, so things are "relatively" safe in those events. But you can still run out of road or spin the car if you push things beyond the car's/your limit obviously, which is what I would like to hedge against. And of course there is the freak accident that is caused by fluid leak on the track, etc. If the quote does indeed cover multiple days at the same event, $250 for 2-3 days sounds very reasonable to me and I would take it for the peace of mind.