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      04-07-2008, 02:01 PM   #45
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I've been doing a lot of research on this and for the price the Gruppe M is a bit too pricey. It will be better to wait and see what other alternatives will be out there.
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      06-27-2008, 01:31 AM   #47
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AFE?
Supposedly, aFe is in development of one. I currently have it on my FJ Cruiser & you can mos def tell a difference. I've heard good things about the e46 M3 version & they also have an e60 M5 & e63/64 M6 version available so looking forward to what they come out with for the e9x M3.

http://www.afefilters.com/productrev...72/5411272.htm
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Supposedly, aFe is in development of one. I currently have it on my FJ Cruiser & you can mos def tell a difference. I've heard good things about the e46 M3 version & they also have an e60 M5 & e63/64 M6 version available so looking forward to what they come out with for the e9x M3.

http://www.afefilters.com/productrev...72/5411272.htm
All the AFE intakes do is suck in hot air. I have yet to see a intake they make that is sealed.

What they need to do, is drive the car for an hour, let the engine bay heat up. Then do dynos, they will loose power. HEAT SOAK.


Your best bet, will be a drop-in filter or better yet the Dinan intake when it becomes available.
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All the AFE intakes do is suck in hot air. I have yet to see a intake they make that is sealed.

What they need to do, is drive the car for an hour, let the engine bay heat up. Then do dynos, they will loose power. HEAT SOAK.


Your best bet, will be a drop-in filter or better yet the Dinan intake when it becomes available.
Well, I can't speak for the M5/M6 version but the version I have for an FJ Cruiser is completely sealed & sucks in fresh air from the fenders. Again, I can mos def tell an increase in performance not just an increase in sound:

http://www.afefilters.com/gendesc.php?partno=54-81162

They haven't officially shown a prototype for an e9x M3 application yet so lets not make the assumption it sucks in hot air.
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Gruppe-M is way expensive, I like there product, but the price is high.
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Well, I can't speak for the M5/M6 version but the version I have for an FJ Cruiser is completely sealed & sucks in fresh air from the fenders. Again, I can mos def tell an increase in performance not just an increase in sound:

http://www.afefilters.com/gendesc.php?partno=54-81162

They haven't officially shown a prototype for an e9x M3 application yet so lets not make the assumption it sucks in hot air.
BMW intakes are nothing like that.

AFE M5: http://www.afefilters.com/productrev...72/5411272.htm

AFE Z4: https://www.shopatron.com/product/pr...54-10661/534.0

I have yet to see an AFE sealed intake for any BMW. Yes your FJ looks seal, a good buy.

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Gruppe-M is way expensive, I like there product, but the price is high.
That is why you should wait for the Dinan intake. All their intakes are sealed, true cold air intakes. It will also be way less than the Gruppe intake.
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BMW intakes are nothing like that.

AFE M5: http://www.afefilters.com/productrev...72/5411272.htm

AFE Z4: https://www.shopatron.com/product/pr...54-10661/534.0

I have yet to see an AFE sealed intake for any BMW. Yes your FJ looks seal, a good buy.



That is why you should wait for the Dinan intake. All their intakes are sealed, true cold air intakes. It will also be way less than the Gruppe intake.
For the nth time, they haven't officially shown a prototype for an e9x M3 application yet so lets not make the assumption it sucks in hot air.

Do you work for Dinan?
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The factory intake looks pretty well thought out, with 3 separate intake tracts and a great big filter. I wonder how much, if anything, is to be gained except for maybe CF bling.
100% correct. Other than filtration, there's not much to be gained through an aftermarket intake.
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100% correct. Other than filtration, there's not much to be gained through an aftermarket intake.
Honestly, I'm willing to spend a couple hundred $$$ ($200-$300) to have a tad louder intake roar @ WOT...as long as I don't lose ANY hp/tq (peak & max) that is! Then again, $200-$300 for a legit e9x M3 intake is just plain wishful thinking on my part.
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For the nth time, they haven't officially shown a prototype for an e9x M3 application yet so lets not make the assumption it sucks in hot air.

Do you work for Dinan?
Didn't realized you considered this an argument. Sorry if you were offended. I told you the FJ intake looked good.

Lets just say I am 99.9% sure it will be like all BMW applications. But who knows hopefully they will prove me wrong.

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100% correct. Other than filtration, there's not much to be gained through an aftermarket intake.
Agree, drop-in filter might be the best bet.

Unless someting comes along that doesn't suck in hot air.
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Honestly, I'm willing to spend a couple hundred $$$ ($200-$300) to have a tad louder intake roar @ WOT...as long as I don't lose ANY hp/tq (peak & max) that is! Then again, $200-$300 for a legit e9x M3 intake is just plain wishful thinking on my part.
Heck, even the URD intake on my Tacoma ran almost $400. Which intake do you have on your FJ? It's pretty clear that these aftermarket companies charge more simply based on the cost of whatever vehicle they're selling for. Looking at the design of the stock intake on the E9X, I think any significant changes would reduce power.

Pretty random, but we're both in TX and when my car comes in, we'll both have the same engines in our two vehicles. Small world.
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Heck, even the URD intake on my Tacoma ran almost $400. Which intake do you have on your FJ? It's pretty clear that these aftermarket companies charge more simply based on the cost of whatever vehicle they're selling for. Looking at the design of the stock intake on the E9X, I think any significant changes would reduce power.

Pretty random, but we're both in TX and when my car comes in, we'll both have the same engines in our two vehicles. Small world.
This is his FJ intake: http://www.afefilters.com/gendesc.php?partno=54-81162



Usually a company that starts with D and ends with a N, provides significant horsepower gains with their intakes. The E60 M5 intake is a 21hp gain and E46 M3 intake is a 18hp gain.

Sorry I am not allowed to say the name of the company, "nucking futs" doesn't like me to.
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The problem with that AFE intake (at least the one for the same engine on the Tacoma) is that it's not completely sealed. There's a hole at the bottom that lets in hot air.

How much did the D___n intake for the E46 M3 run?
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The problem with that AFE intake (at least the one for the same engine on the Tacoma) is that it's not completely sealed. There's a hole at the bottom that lets in hot air.

How much did the D___n intake for the E46 M3 run?
$1399.00 for the E46 M3, compared to the Gruppe M($2800), not bad. D___n has extensive R&D and dynos to back up that price. Plus it is backed by the D___n warranty.
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Didn't realized you considered this an argument. Sorry if you were offended. I told you the FJ intake looked good.

Lets just say I am 99.9% sure it will be like all BMW applications. But who knows hopefully they will prove me wrong.

No don't work for Dinan. Dinan sucks, worst company ever, never buy from them, they are criminals. Happy.



Agree, drop-in filter might be the best bet.

Unless someting comes along that doesn't suck in hot air.
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This is his FJ intake: http://www.afefilters.com/gendesc.php?partno=54-81162



Usually a company that starts with D and ends with a N, provides significant horsepower gains with their intakes. The E60 M5 intake is a 21hp gain and E46 M3 intake is a 18hp gain.

Sorry I am not allowed to say the name of the company, "nucking futs" doesn't like me to.
LOL, that question about u working for Dinan was meant to be a joke & nothing else. I didn't consider it an argument at all. I actually thought u considered it an argument but all good.

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Heck, even the URD intake on my Tacoma ran almost $400. Which intake do you have on your FJ? It's pretty clear that these aftermarket companies charge more simply based on the cost of whatever vehicle they're selling for. Looking at the design of the stock intake on the E9X, I think any significant changes would reduce power.

Pretty random, but we're both in TX and when my car comes in, we'll both have the same engines in our two vehicles. Small world.
I got the aFe intake for ~$300 shipped.

IMO, it's not always the case regarding charging more based on the vehicle. For instance, I'm sure some (but not all) companies such as AEM, K&N, aFe, etc. sell more intakes to more cars that are bought more such as Civics, Accords, 350z's, etc. In otherwords, it's harder to sell intakes to M3's, M5's, RS4's, etc since there are less on the road thus these companies have to charge more to make the same profit as they would w/a Civic intake if that makes sense.

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The problem with that AFE intake (at least the one for the same engine on the Tacoma) is that it's not completely sealed. There's a hole at the bottom that lets in hot air.

How much did the D___n intake for the E46 M3 run?
True, there is a hole at the bottom of the aFe BUT they actually sell a plug to fill it up (couple dollars). Or you can just get the TRD (aFe makes it) version which is the plugged-version.
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$1399.00 for the E46 M3, compared to the Gruppe M($2800), not bad. D___n has extensive R&D and dynos to back up that price. Plus it is backed by the D___n warranty.
When you say $2800, are you talking about the dry carbon fiber version for an e46 M3? You know, u can get the regular carbon fiber version for around $1500 right? I got lucky & got the regular cf version back then for less than $1000. Never had an issue w/it & enjoyed it very much. But ~$3k for the e9x M3 version?!? Forget that!
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When you say $2800, are you talking about the dry carbon fiber version for an e46 M3? You know, u can get the regular carbon fiber version for around $1500 right? I got lucky & got the regular cf version back then for less than $1000. Never had an issue w/it & enjoyed it very much. But ~$3k for the e9x M3 version?!? Forget that!

Yep, the CF one is about that much for the E92 intake that I believe is a bit more complicated than that of the E46 etc...
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