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      06-09-2008, 10:46 PM   #45
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probably would be a sweet car in a few years if it depreciates as much as i would expect it to.
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      06-10-2008, 01:06 AM   #46
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/the exhaust is fake it doesnt even work.... it looks horendous...
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      06-10-2008, 01:07 AM   #47
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Shows exactly, how many people regurgitate what they hear. No original thoughts at all.
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      06-10-2008, 01:36 AM   #48
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Shows exactly, how many people regurgitate what they hear. No original thoughts at all.
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      06-10-2008, 01:49 AM   #49
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Why bash the IS-F? It doesn't make that car any worse or the M3 any better.

Lexus deserves credit for getting it right and making a great car the first time. It's a Lexus so the quality is excellent, the interior is excellent and the car reportedly performs very well.

I looked at the first IS-F that arrived at my local dealer and decided it didn't do anything for me styling wise. And I preferred the pedigree of the M3 and I'm glad I did.

Competition drives every company or they fall behind and fail. The IS-F will push BMW to continue to improve its cars and that's good for all of us.
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I couldn't agree more. I dont really understand why people ALWAYS have to bash the competition? Like you said, competition is good because it helps us improve!
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      06-10-2008, 07:24 AM   #50
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I couldn't agree more. I dont really understand why people ALWAYS have to bash the competition? Like you said, competition is good because it helps us improve!
Just think about it... a few years ago the three series had almost no worthy competition. The C class was a nice car, but you could tell it was the entry model, and as far as the drive it offered, it didnt compare. The IS300 was basically the same as the Altezza, and again, couldn't compete with the 3 (though our engines are quite FI capeable ). No one even cared about the A4. Now you'll have a tough time just making a case to pick the C over a 3 over an A4 over an IS... or whatever roder you'd chose. They're all great.

Now that all four of those manufacturers offer high-performance models, its only gotten better. They're going to have to keep one-upping eachother, and all that is going to do is make things better and better for the people like us who just love to drive them
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      06-10-2008, 10:20 PM   #51
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I like the IS-F's looks. It's over-the-top, but it has the performance credibility to match it's "hey look at me" style. It's a very nice effort from Lexus, a company that normally does make such cars.

To much has been made by the "fake" exhaust. It's there for stylish reasons, let's get over it. Given all the publicity surrounding the exhaust tips and such, I wouldn't be surprised that the upcoming '09/'10 models get a) the same exhaust tips that's fully "functional" or b) switch to a more conventional dual exhaust

If a "fake" exhaust keeps someone from buying the car, then I would venture that they weren't really interested in the car anyways and looked for something to harp on.
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      06-13-2008, 05:45 PM   #52
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yeah i saw it in person at the dealership when i was getting an oil change on my gs-350. Stacked exhaust tips looked way too gay. I didn't bother really analyzing the rest of the car at that point.
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      06-14-2008, 03:09 AM   #53
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      06-14-2008, 08:14 PM   #54
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Actually saw another one last night take off, didn't sound bad at all, but totally agree with the rear end..not really feeling it.
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      06-14-2008, 10:17 PM   #55
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The reason why people are upset at Lexus's car is because when you are offering a high performance luxury sedan you aren't willing to accept fake bits and peices. Granted the IS-F is very good in its own right but quite honestly the complaints are justified. People just want the whole package.
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      06-15-2008, 09:58 AM   #56
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The intent is not to turn this into a bashing thread, BUT:

As for the exhaust tips...Lexus has already made a statement that this setup aids in exhaust flow, creating a scavenging effect. So it's not a "gimmick" as it actually serves an engineering and performance purpose.

To me the "fake" exhaust tips are no more weak than say the fake air vents on the front fenders of a BMW.

FWIW I looked at the new M3, C63 and IS-F and chose the IS-F.
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      06-15-2008, 01:05 PM   #57
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The intent is not to turn this into a bashing thread, BUT:

As for the exhaust tips...Lexus has already made a statement that this setup aids in exhaust flow, creating a scavenging effect. So it's not a "gimmick" as it actually serves an engineering and performance purpose.

To me the "fake" exhaust tips are no more weak than say the fake air vents on the front fenders of a BMW.

FWIW I looked at the new M3, C63 and IS-F and chose the IS-F.
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p.s. I sold my SSTT 335i to purchase the IS-F

Did not know about the "scavenging affect", and what is it anyway? BTW, is the side vents on the M3 fake? If so, then it is only simply cosmetic and nothing else. Thanks for the info.
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      06-15-2008, 03:02 PM   #58
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To me the "fake" exhaust tips are no more weak than say the fake air vents on the front fenders of a BMW.
Not sure about all BMWs but in the M3 the intakes on the hood are 1 = functional and 1 is present for maintaining a symmetric look. On the E46 M3 the side gills on the front fenders were similar. 1 used to help cool engine electronics. I'd bet the E9X M3 is the same.
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To comment of whether something is fake or not is plain silly or plunking at straws. You need to look at it's merits and failings instead of the stuff that doesn't matter one iota.

The IS-F is a good car, to me it's not directly a rival to the M3, more an alternative in the same way as the C63 and RS4 are.
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To comment of whether something is fake or not is plain silly or plunking at straws. You need to look at it's merits and failings instead of the stuff that doesn't matter one iota.

The IS-F is a good car, to me it's not directly a rival to the M3, more an alternative in the same way as the C63 and RS4 are.
So let's imagine this thought experiment. There is a car on the market that suits you perfectly. Really your dream car. Now imagine a giant aluminum rear wing added to this wonderful car. A total ricer job, no downforce, way too big, flimsy, etc. I would call this FAKE. It is fake because a rear wing has a very well defined function and such a unit would not perform that function.

Would you care? Would you buy that car?

Fake matters.
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Fail matters.
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Fake or not fake, whatever. This is what matters.



The IS-F is clearly impressive. I have seen this video on here before, and I believe the white M3 belongs to a member here. I can't believe the content of this video has been so soon forgotten. Selective memory?
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Not sure about all BMWs but in the M3 the intakes on the hood are 1 = functional and 1 is present for maintaining a symmetric look. On the E46 M3 the side gills on the front fenders were similar. 1 used to help cool engine electronics. I'd bet the E9X M3 is the same.

So why would you consider the ISF's side vents fake if there are heat emanating from it and there are actual holes on the vents? BTW, the side vents that extends to the side skirts also serves for better aerodynamics. And I guess we can also say that one of the intakes on the M3's hood is fake and one of the vents on the front fenders is fake as well. Call it the way it is regardless what the purpose might be. Just like you said, fake matters right. Fake is fake, period.


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      06-16-2008, 01:30 AM   #64
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So why would you consider the ISF's side vents fake if there are heat emanating from it and there are actual holes on the vents?

I know you always have trouble reading so I will remind you. I did not mention the side vents in any way shape or form.
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So let's imagine this thought experiment. There is a car on the market that suits you perfectly. Really your dream car. Now imagine a giant aluminum rear wing added to this wonderful car. A total ricer job, no downforce, way too big, flimsy, etc. I would call this FAKE. It is fake because a rear wing has a very well defined function and such a unit would not perform that function.

Would you care? Would you buy that car?

Fake matters.
Would you class quad exhaust pipes as extreme as a big rear wing..........no, I didn't think so. Keep it in context with my comments.
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Something that serves a purpose can't be "fake." The exhaust tips, regardless of their ties to performance, serve an aesthetic purpose. I don't care whether you find that purpose pleasing to the eye, or not. That is why they are there.

People buy cars because they look nice, too, remember?


Edit: because I cant spell "eye"
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