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      06-13-2008, 06:13 PM   #45
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Out of the documentaries that I have read and heard about George W. Bush Junior recently has been proven factual and shows he is the largest beneficiary of America's suffering. Him and his homie: Cheney.

Now do I blame him? Yes.
Does all of my blame go to him? No.

The stupid fuucking American's who voted him into office- not once, but twice. They deserve a large chunk of the blame too. We all suffer because when the majority of American Citizens are ignorant, and we all get to revel in it.

On the gas problem... I want to see the technology grow in electric sports cars. Cars that offer the same fun-factor and equal if not better performance than today's internal combustion engines. We are entering the age of weekend cars being the toys (with both high cost and high opportunity cost), and daily drivers being the cars we wouldn't have wanted to drive if we were given them for free.

If you'd make $10 for every electric car you sell, and you make $11 for every internal combustion car you sell, which one would you make more of? What if for every internal combustion engine car you sell, Big Oil will pay you $20. That is $31 Total Revenue versus the measly $10 bucks you get for doing society, the environment, and the citizens a favor.

If the gas prices increase at the rate they are currently, it will prevent middle America from being able to commute. Hey, for all of us rich people pimping BMW's it means less traffic for us! Fantastic right?

Public enemy #1 is the individual we selected to represent us. Surprise surprise.

Are we all too good to drive a Geo Metro to work? I know I don't want to... but who gets what they want these days?

At the time of this post, we (The United States of America) owe 9,417,084,313,162 dollars and 42 cents. The estimated population of the United States is 304,169,753. So each citizen's share of this debt is $30,959.96.

It doesn't matter if we elect Obama, McCain, Clinton, Barney, one of the Teletubbies, or even Jesus Christ himself. We aren't going to be out of this problem as soon as another candidate hops in the suit and plays the lead role in the inauguration play.

We have some of the smartest minds in the world trying to figure out how to get out of this dilemma... and some even smarter ones profiting from our current situation. The problem we face now is that the ones in charge are the ones worsening the problem. Every single day.

Sorry if this post comes off as negative and pessimistic; but fact hits harder than fiction and there is nothing more than finger-pointers and extremists in the media... AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

I don't have a solution, but I'm open to hear ideas. ,
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      06-13-2008, 07:03 PM   #46
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I would change the title of the thread to "After 2 years of a democrat controlled congress".
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      06-13-2008, 08:51 PM   #47
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Out of the documentaries that I have read and heard about George W. Bush Junior recently has been proven factual and shows he is the largest beneficiary of America's suffering. Him and his homie: Cheney.

Now do I blame him? Yes.
Does all of my blame go to him? No.

The stupid fuucking American's who voted him into office- not once, but twice. They deserve a large chunk of the blame too. We all suffer because when the majority of American Citizens are ignorant, and we all get to revel in it.

On the gas problem... I want to see the technology grow in electric sports cars. Cars that offer the same fun-factor and equal if not better performance than today's internal combustion engines. We are entering the age of weekend cars being the toys (with both high cost and high opportunity cost), and daily drivers being the cars we wouldn't have wanted to drive if we were given them for free.

If you'd make $10 for every electric car you sell, and you make $11 for every internal combustion car you sell, which one would you make more of? What if for every internal combustion engine car you sell, Big Oil will pay you $20. That is $31 Total Revenue versus the measly $10 bucks you get for doing society, the environment, and the citizens a favor.

If the gas prices increase at the rate they are currently, it will prevent middle America from being able to commute. Hey, for all of us rich people pimping BMW's it means less traffic for us! Fantastic right?

Public enemy #1 is the individual we selected to represent us. Surprise surprise.

Are we all too good to drive a Geo Metro to work? I know I don't want to... but who gets what they want these days?

At the time of this post, we (The United States of America) owe 9,417,084,313,162 dollars and 42 cents. The estimated population of the United States is 304,169,753. So each citizen's share of this debt is $30,959.96.

It doesn't matter if we elect Obama, McCain, Clinton, Barney, one of the Teletubbies, or even Jesus Christ himself. We aren't going to be out of this problem as soon as another candidate hops in the suit and plays the lead role in the inauguration play.

We have some of the smartest minds in the world trying to figure out how to get out of this dilemma... and some even smarter ones profiting from our current situation. The problem we face now is that the ones in charge are the ones worsening the problem. Every single day.

Sorry if this post comes off as negative and pessimistic; but fact hits harder than fiction and there is nothing more than finger-pointers and extremists in the media... AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

I don't have a solution, but I'm open to hear ideas. ,
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I'm not paying another dime of taxes if Obama gets in office. Theres no need to support socialism.
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simple bro, cut the corporate taxes..let the economy grows, more tax revenues will automatically come into the government's tax coffin!
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I would change the title of the thread to "After 2 years of a democrat controlled congress".
Dem congress sucks ass big time...
THey did not do anything, which means 6 years of destruction got us where we are now...
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I understand that oil is a global commoditie and therefore the price is hard if not impossible to control. Also, tThe price of it has been affected by the China, India and other accelerating economies. But i would never expect and ex oil man to do whats best for the economy when it comes to managing our oil dependence and development of alternate fuels.
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Dem congress sucks ass big time...
THey did not do anything, which means 6 years of destruction got us where we are now...
Economy and gas prices were looking pretty good until 2006 elections.
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Economy and gas prices were looking pretty good until 2006 elections.
Or, you may also say that it was good until 2001...
You can see it (biased) the way you want...
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Or, you may also say that it was good until 2001...
You can see it (biased) the way you want...
2000 was not a good year. The recession was upon us. There were hard times. I lived through it and remember it well. The tech bubble had burst. Internet stocks had crashed. "The bloom was off the rose." There was "trouble in paradise". It was not a good year by any measure. 2001 was starting to look up until 9/11 which changed the world.
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2000 was not a good year. The recession was upon us. There were hard times. I lived through it and remember it well. The tech bubble had burst. Internet stocks had crashed. "The bloom was off the rose." There was "trouble in paradise". It was not a good year by any measure. 2001 was starting to look up until 9/11 which changed the world.
Sounds like 2008...
Anyway, if you're trying to blame Clinton or Bush for any of the Economic downturns, I am not buying it...

However, the period from 2002 - 2007 was not that stellar at all -- all companies (except oil and gold) were very cautious, remained in the savings mode... THe prices kept going up from 2002 and never stopped -- gas prices affected many other prices...

What I do blame Bush for is -- mad spending and no end to it (even with the next Prez) that will have huge consequences during the next recession (and years to come)...in a few months...
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