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      06-10-2008, 04:07 PM   #23
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Here is the difference between a V1 and a V2 , same day as the V1/M3 race.
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You must have raced a stock 335 while the driver was DUI. Shame!

I hope to run into an M3 someday. I was already dead even with an E60 M5 up to 100mph.
Seriously, the issue was not necessarily power. And I think he was a decent driver. It was a tight technical course. I was gaining significantly on everyone in the corners, including an RS4 and several E46 and E36 M3s. I thought the older M3s would handle better than that given their weight advantage. I was really surprised at how well the E92 M3 handled. And it was not because I am a great driver, and Im not saying this because I own one. The car really impressed me in how balanced it is out of the box and how much traction it has. An E46 M3 spun in front of me as I was gaining on him and I was not even close to running into any kind of trouble. It's just that. One needs to appreciate and accept that. Can you make a 335 handle like that? Probably yes after significant mods and time. Is it worth it? I personally do not think so.
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Stock vs stock, there is no doubt that the M3 handles MUCH better. Nobody doubts the M3's handling capabilities. But you can't live your life at the track.
And if you want a track car, the M3 is certainly not the car for that.

The question that has always been asked was : Is the M3 20k better than the 335 with a couple of mods?

Well, that depends on every person's lifestyle/needs.

Personally, since I only plan on tracking a few times a year, the 335 is a good value for 50k as it handles good and can be pretty damn fast for cheap. In everyday life, I love it's massive torque.

So, again, how fast the M3 is at the track is irrelevant to most people because you can't be at the track all day.

95% of the people don't even track their can on a regular basis.

In everyday life, the 335 with a strong "chip" and some coilovers will be very very close to an M3.

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Seriously, the issue was not necessarily power. And I think he was a decent driver. It was a tight technical course. I was gaining significantly on everyone in the corners, including an RS4 and several E46 and E36 M3s. I thought the older M3s would handle better than that given their weight advantage. I was really surprised at how well the E92 M3 handled. And it was not because I am a great driver, and Im not saying this because I own one. The car really impressed me in how balanced it is out of the box and how much traction it has. An E46 M3 spun in front of me as I was gaining on him and I was not even close to running into any kind of trouble. It's just that. One needs to appreciate and accept that. Can you make a 335 handle like that? Probably yes after significant mods and time. Is it worth it? I personally do not think so.
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Here is the difference between a V1 and a V2 , same day as the V1/M3 race.
It might just be me here but when I placed both video side by side, the V1 vs M3 and V1 vs V2 and you will see that it performs better in the race against the M3. Whether it was an earlier race or not who knows but in the one against the V2 it's time between gears seemed to be slightly longer.
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Stock vs stock, there is no doubt that the M3 handles MUCH better. Nobody doubts the M3's handling capabilities. But you can't live your life at the track.
And if you want a track car, the M3 is certainly not the car for that.

The question that has always been asked was : Is the M3 20k better than the 335 with a couple of mods?

Well, that depends on every person's lifestyle/needs.

Personally, since I only plan on tracking a few times a year, the 335 is a good value for 50k as it handles good and can be pretty damn fast for cheap. In everyday life, I love it's massive torque.

So, again, how fast the M3 is at the track is irrelevant to most people because you can't be at the track all day.

95% of the people don't even track their can on a regular basis.

In everyday life, the 335 with a strong "chip" and some coilovers will be very very close to an M3.
I doubt there is too many people out there that will make the M3 out perform a 335i with some chosen upgrades.

That's the question which should be asked. In the right hands there is no doubt the M3 will be quicker, especially so on the track but on the road where few sensible people will ever push a car close to it's capabilities then the difference between the two will be nil.

So if there is little or no difference on the road then does that mean everyone who has ordered or driving a new M3 looks stupid for wasting all that extra cash, of course not, there is more to the experience of owning an M3 than pure abilities. The way the engine, chassis, steering and brakes perform are as much about the ownership as it's out right performance.

I test drove both, the M3 and the 335i and there is a lot more to the experience and driving pleasure with the M3 than you get with the 335i. Is it worth $20K well that it up to the each and everyone independently, but if you car afford a Rolex do you buy a Casio. Sorry for the comparison but I think you get the point.
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335 is weak dick stop trying to compare to the m3!
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Stock vs stock, there is no doubt that the M3 handles MUCH better. Nobody doubts the M3's handling capabilities. But you can't live your life at the track.
And if you want a track car, the M3 is certainly not the car for that.

The question that has always been asked was : Is the M3 20k better than the 335 with a couple of mods?

Well, that depends on every person's lifestyle/needs.

Personally, since I only plan on tracking a few times a year, the 335 is a good value for 50k as it handles good and can be pretty damn fast for cheap. In everyday life, I love it's massive torque.

So, again, how fast the M3 is at the track is irrelevant to most people because you can't be at the track all day.

95% of the people don't even track their can on a regular basis.

In everyday life, the 335 with a strong "chip" and some coilovers will be very very close to an M3.
Well, I don't buy cars based on what 95% of the people think/need/want. I buy them for myself. I noticed the difference in the experience the minute I drove off the lot (and I've driven the 335). I appreciate well designed high precision engineering. So, it's worth it for me.

Stock vs. stock, the M3 has more torque at the wheels than the 335 above 2500 rpms or so (discussed in other threads). The massive torque advantage you are referring to is true for a chipped 335. I would not mess with any of that for a car that is under warranty (also discussed to death). Even after warranty, as I said above, the 335 drivetrain was not designed to handle that much power/torque, so you are asking for trouble down the road. Eating into safety margins engineers have built into the product is risky and can be expensive to deal with in the long run.
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The question that has always been asked was : Is the M3 20k better than the 335 with a couple of mods?
$20,000???? What are you smoking?

335 coupe msrp - $41,800

m3 coupe msrp - $56,500

Difference $14,700



Yeah, put on your Procede, DPs, full exhaust, intake. There goes your warranty.

Add up those mods, don't forget the huge cost of a LSD.

And the huge cost of brake up-grade.

V3 - $1495
DP's - $900
Exhaust - $1500
Intake - $150
LSD - $2000
Brakes front/rear - $6,000
Coilovers - $1,300

Total - ~$13,345

Then there is install cost on top of that.

Not to mention if you want exterior mods and wheels.


Just about every modded 335i on E90 post, has some sort of body kit, like the M-tech kit. More money$$$$$$

It adds up for sure.



Even then you still don't get the interior bits in the M3, not to mention the M-drive and electronic damping control.

Also the Double Clutch Tranny, not even offered in the 335i.

The M3 is about refinement.


For $14,700 more the M3 is a BARGAIN, not to mention you actual have a warranty.


It was already proven, that a full Dinan 3 with $14,000 worth of Dinan bits, lost in every performance test to a M3.
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And I have a friend who has a modded Supra turbo that would woop a V3 335i all day long, that is also half the cost of a 335i.

What is your point?
+100000

These 335i owners talk a bunch of crap. Its a modded 335i vs a stock M3. How about a modded 335i vs a modded M3?

Mod the 335i all you want, and the M3 will still beat you in the corners.

This topic is so warn-out and antiquated its not even funny anymore.
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$20,000???? What are you smoking?

335 coupe msrp - $41,800

m3 coupe msrp - $56,500

Difference $14,700



Yeah, put on your Procede, DPs, full exhaust, intake. There goes your warranty.

Add up those mods, don't forget the huge cost of a LSD.

And the huge cost of brake up-grade.

V3 - $1495
DP's - $900
Exhaust - $1500
Intake - $150
LSD - $2000
Brakes front/rear - $6,000
Coilovers - $1,300

Total - ~$13,345

Then there is install cost on top of that.

Not to mention if you want exterior mods and wheels.


Just about every modded 335i on E90 post, has some sort of body kit, like the M-tech kit. More money$$$$$$

It adds up for sure.



Even then you still don't get the interior bits in the M3, not to mention the M-drive and electronic damping control.

Also the Double Clutch Tranny, not even offered in the 335i.

The M3 is about refinement.


For $14,700 more the M3 is a BARGAIN, not to mention you actual have a warranty.


It was already proven, that a full Dinan 3 with $14,000 worth of Dinan bits, lost in every performance test to a M3.
I was just about to correct the $20,000 more that people keep trying to say the M3 is vs the 335. You layed it out pretty good.
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You wanna tell that to the 335 I was lapping like crazy a few weeks back. He would disappear in no time from my mirrors the second I would pass him each time. He could have had a V4, 5, 6, 7, etc, and the outcome would have been the same...

Again, you guys should stop this BS, move on, and enjoy your cars.
lol hes right. Why do cars have a steering wheel and wheels for? So they can turn, its not always about straight. M3 FTW
335 engine will blow sooner or later lol
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These M3 lover better cross their fingers when they pull up against a 335,because they might get shit on by a v3. over price turtle is what the e93 m3 is.
as is the aston martin , bentley xxx, ferrari 360,430......over-priced turtles, eh?...rofl....back to your cave...cross your fingers and hope you manage to avoid mechanical problems...the e92 m3 may not be that fast, but it sure as hell is a better car
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you can not build a bargain M3 out of a 335i. But you can surely empty your wallet and void your warranty trying.

the next M5 will have twin turbos.
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dinan has warranty and for stage 2 @ $2k, the deal is pretty aweosme for someone that isnt looking into a race track focused car.

V2 vs e92 m3 FWIW,

335i's are some pretty fast cars, i must say, i was in a tuned one recently, the TQ is astounding and at the level it kicks in.

both good cars for there purpose IMO, the M3's focus is really just a level of heaven
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$20,000???? What are you smoking?

335 coupe msrp - $41,800

m3 coupe msrp - $56,500

Difference $14,700



Yeah, put on your Procede, DPs, full exhaust, intake. There goes your warranty.

Add up those mods, don't forget the huge cost of a LSD.

And the huge cost of brake up-grade.

V3 - $1495
DP's - $900
Exhaust - $1500
Intake - $150
LSD - $2000
Brakes front/rear - $6,000
Coilovers - $1,300

Total - ~$13,345

Then there is install cost on top of that.

Not to mention if you want exterior mods and wheels.


Just about every modded 335i on E90 post, has some sort of body kit, like the M-tech kit. More money$$$$$$

It adds up for sure.



Even then you still don't get the interior bits in the M3, not to mention the M-drive and electronic damping control.

Also the Double Clutch Tranny, not even offered in the 335i.

The M3 is about refinement.


For $14,700 more the M3 is a BARGAIN, not to mention you actual have a warranty.


It was already proven, that a full Dinan 3 with $14,000 worth of Dinan bits, lost in every performance test to a M3.
Don't be such a retard!

My car was almost fully loaded at 51K

All of the M3's at the dealers are 70k!

KW V3 coilovers $1800
PROcede V3 $1400

Thats all you need!

First you factor Dinan and then you say "Voided warranty". With Dinan you still have warranty....so you don't make sense

Who the hell wants the overpriced Dinan garbage? Maybe you do....because you're so smart.

Pull your head out of your ass.

And how many 335's with voided warranties have you counted so far, genius? You sure seem to know a lot for a guy that drivers a 325i.
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Don't be such a retard!

My car was almost fully loaded at 51K

All of the M3's at the dealers are 70k!

Pull your head out of your ass.

And how many 335's with voided warranties have you counted so far, genius? You sure seem to know a lot for a guy that drivers a 325i.
I will suggest you stop posting anymore, your making a fool of yourself.
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I will suggest you stop posting anymore, your making a fool of yourself.
I suggest you sell your car so you don't embarass yourself...
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The 335 modded is faster than a M3, but the M3 will stand up to abuse much better on the track and at the strip, stock for stock the M3 is a better car, you pay for it yes, but I've seen 335's trip a CEL at the 1/4 track, but they do run 12.6's in good weather
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Don't be such a retard!

My car was almost fully loaded at 51K

All of the M3's at the dealers are 70k!

KW V3 coilovers $1800
PROcede V3 $1400

Thats all you need!

First you factor Dinan and then you say "Voided warranty". With Dinan you still have warranty....so you don't make sense

Who the hell wants the overpriced Dinan garbage? Maybe you do....because you're so smart.

Pull your head out of your ass.

And how many 335's with voided warranties have you counted so far, genius? You sure seem to know a lot for a guy that drivers a 325i.

"Almost" fully loaded

Base MSRP $41,200
Montego Blue Metallic $550
Gray Dakota Leather $0
Light Poplar Natural wood trim $0
Cold Weather Package $750
Premium Package $2,650
Sport Package $1,200
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$1,000
Sports leather steering wheel with paddle shifters $100
STEPTRONIC automatic transmission $1,325
Comfort Access system $500
Navigation system $2,100
Destination & Handling: $825
Total MSRP as Built $52,200

Factor in about $10k worth of mods just to barely not even reach M3 levels of performance =
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"Almost" fully loaded

Base MSRP $41,200
Montego Blue Metallic $550
Gray Dakota Leather $0
Light Poplar Natural wood trim $0
Cold Weather Package $750
Premium Package $2,650
Sport Package $1,200
19" wheels w/performance tires (style 230)
$1,000
Sports leather steering wheel with paddle shifters $100
STEPTRONIC automatic transmission $1,325
Comfort Access system $500
Navigation system $2,100
Destination & Handling: $825
Total MSRP as Built $52,200

Factor in about $10k worth of mods just to barely not even reach M3 levels of performance =
I'll give any M3 a run for their money being 15k cheaper as of right now.
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I doubt there is too many people out there that will make the M3 out perform a 335i with some chosen upgrades.

That's the question which should be asked. In the right hands there is no doubt the M3 will be quicker, especially so on the track but on the road where few sensible people will ever push a car close to it's capabilities then the difference between the two will be nil.

So if there is little or no difference on the road then does that mean everyone who has ordered or driving a new M3 looks stupid for wasting all that extra cash, of course not, there is more to the experience of owning an M3 than pure abilities. The way the engine, chassis, steering and brakes perform are as much about the ownership as it's out right performance.

I test drove both, the M3 and the 335i and there is a lot more to the experience and driving pleasure with the M3 than you get with the 335i. Is it worth $20K well that it up to the each and everyone independently, but if you car afford a Rolex do you buy a Casio. Sorry for the comparison but I think you get the point.
Well said Footie, well said......
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