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      05-30-2008, 12:32 AM   #1
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Question about options.

Ok, this is kind of a dumb question, but I'm afraid I have to ask. Are the stock M3 wheels 18 or 19? Yes, I am aware that there are 19 optional, but I wanted to make sure if it's the size and not just the styling.

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gray ones are 18, the hot looking ones are 19

Optional 19s for 1.2k
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Thank you. I'm aiming for an M3 this fall, so just trying to get a good understanding of options to see what I can and should cut the price on (I originally planned for a 335i, so this is really squeezing the budget, as I'm still in school.)

Anyway, here's another question:

I'm aware that the technology package comes with M Drive. However, is the M Drive exclusively controlled through the I-Drive, or is there a set of "manual" controls for those settings if you opt out of the navi? Similar to the new STI settings I guess...

I do appreciate the answers

That car is beautul by the way!
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M drive only comes with the tech package ... therefore you get nav also.
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18" standard, also hot looking. There is 1" difference that's not a lot. The tires are the same width. I got the 18" wheels for my coupe.
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As my understanding, the Tech package only lets you detune the car. You still have Power button without it. For me it wasn't necessary because I would never use any of the slower settings.
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Use their BMWUSA site to build/configure your car. It will tell you what options you can get/can't with pricing. Happy shopping.
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I thought most people preferred the look of the stock 18's to upgraded 19's. I realize it's a personal preference, but I'm with the camp of people who think the stock 18's are much better looking than the upgraded 19's.
I had the other impression of wheel popularity. So, it's probably fairly even. I far prefer the 19s.
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As my understanding, the Tech package only lets you detune the car. You still have Power button without it.
The Tech Package gives you MDynamic Mode, which is a semi-off DSC, which is hardly detuning. It also gives you a Sport steering setting and a Sport Plus throttle setting which are more agressive than normal modes.
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The Tech Package gives you MDynamic Mode, which is a semi-off DSC, which is hardly detuning. It also gives you a Sport steering setting and a Sport Plus throttle setting which are more agressive than normal modes.
I thought sport plus is the default option you have when you only have a power button and no tech package, the difference being no middle options? What I do know is the car is 414hp whether you have tech package or not so it doesn't make it any faster.
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I thought sport plus is the default option you have when you only have a power button and no tech package, the difference being no middle options? What I do know is the car is 414hp whether you have tech package or not so it doesn't make it any faster.
No, Sport is the second option on non-Tech Package cars. From the Owner's Manual: "Sport Plus Program In the "Sport Plus" porgram, the engine responds to accelerator movements with high spontaneity and uncompromising sportiness. The "Sport Plus" program can only be activated with MDrive."

You're right, there's no more power, it's just how it is controlled. But, certainly your initial statement of "detuning" is incorrect.
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I like the 19's as they remind me of my E46 19's and are a distinctive BMW look.
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No, Sport is the second option on non-Tech Package cars. From the Owner's Manual: "Sport Plus Program In the "Sport Plus" porgram, the engine responds to accelerator movements with high spontaneity and uncompromising sportiness. The "Sport Plus" program can only be activated with MDrive."

You're right, there's no more power, it's just how it is controlled. But, certainly your initial statement of "detuning" is incorrect.
I'm pretty sure Sport on the no tech package is equal to Sport Plus on the tech package, it's just named differently because there is only two options not three. In my opinion anytime you soften up the suspension or take power out such as normal mode compared to sport, that is what I consider detuning. Just a word I chose to describe any setting below full stock performance of the car.
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I'm pretty sure Sport on the no tech package is equal to Sport Plus on the tech package, it's just named differently because there is only two options not three.
Not to beat a dead horse, but that's incorrect. The Owner's Manual describes the settings for both Tech Package and non-Tech package. "The "Sport Plus" program can only be activated with MDrive" is pretty clear.
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In my opinion anytime you soften up the suspension or take power out such as normal mode compared to sport, that is what I consider detuning. Just a word I chose to describe any setting below full stock performance of the car.
The EDC is not techinically part of the ZTP package, since it is available standalone. However, it has two active shock settings, which cars without EDC do not have. "Normal" is roughly equivalent to the base car suspension in firmness. "Comfort" is softer but still controlled (not floaty at all). "Sport" is stiffer than stock and best only on very smooth roads or track. Again, the active dampers and additional stiff setting are in no way detuning the car.
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The EDC is not techinically part of the ZTP package, since it is available standalone. However, it has two active shock settings, which cars without EDC do not have. "Normal" is roughly equivalent to the base car suspension in firmness. "Comfort" is softer but still controlled (not floaty at all). "Sport" is stiffer than stock and best only on very smooth roads or track. Again, the active dampers and additional stiff setting are in no way detuning the car.
Could be, I certainly don't claim to be an expert but that's not how it was described to me by dealership. They explained it as cars without EDC are always in "Sport" and EDC only lets you soften the ride.
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Could be, I certainly don't claim to be an expert but that's not how it was described to me by dealership. They explained it as cars without EDC are always in "Sport" and EDC only lets you soften the ride.
There are VERY few client advisors that know as much abut the M3 as many on this forum. Driving both the base car and EDC car in Sport mode will quickly show you they are nowhere near the same.
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Here is BMW's description of EDC from the website. After reading this, one could assume that non-EDC car damper settings are comparable to the "Normal" mode on EDC cars. If so that means effectively that EDC allows you to tune "up" the dampers one step (ie: Sport) and "detune" the dampers down one step (ie: Comfort).
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There are VERY few client advisors that know as much abut the M3 as many on this forum. Driving both the base car and EDC car in Sport mode will quickly show you they are nowhere near the same.
And yea, I couldn't agree more. My sales guy insisted to no end that our cars come with run-flats!!
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I don't see how you could assume that since it isn't stated anywhere by BMW that without EDC you are in Normal not Sport mode. You are always in sport mode without it and you just don't have an option to choose Normal
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In my opinion it is clever marketing calling it "Sport" and "Normal" in the EDC cars. They couldn't call it "Normal" and "Less Than Normal" or no one would buy that option.
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