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      05-14-2008, 10:26 PM   #67
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Do you know me? You presume you know so much about me.

You can make all the personnel accusations if you must, still doesnt change a thing. That shit is wrong. And trust me, I'm doing everything I can to help stop this.
Do you know me? you presume you knwo so much about me as well.

I didn't say "that shit" was right. I just say im turning the blind eye just because I know that I won't do anything about it. If your truely doing everything you can do stop this then I applaud you, because the majority of people who are showing pity for these animals arent going to do anything about it, which to me makes them as guilty as me who knows I wont do anything about it.

If I'm not mistaken it was pretty much everybody else making personal attacks at me. You were the one who said I was slow. Dont act like the victim... when you clearly went on the offensive to attack my character first.
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interesting debates..
Dood I know... I love talking about these topics even when your not on the favorable side cause it lets you think about things in the long run... & what you truly believe in. I mean its easy to attack anybody on the board, its much harder to think carefully about the reality of things.

The way I see it is:

1) Yes animal cruelty is bad... and that skinning the animal crap while its alive is inhumane but...
2) Even if your moved by this... I can say from experience that many people wont do anything about it which makes them just as guilty as those who are doing the animal injustices.

& the thing is... I'm admitting to it... I'm admitting that shit I'm not gonna do a damn thing--not because im inhumane but thats just because we pick what fights to fight and which fights to run away from...
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      05-14-2008, 11:17 PM   #69
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Do you know me? you presume you knwo so much about me as well.

I didn't say "that shit" was right. I just say im turning the blind eye just because I know that I won't do anything about it. If your truely doing everything you can do stop this then I applaud you, because the majority of people who are showing pity for these animals arent going to do anything about it, which to me makes them as guilty as me who knows I wont do anything about it.

If I'm not mistaken it was pretty much everybody else making personal attacks at me. You were the one who said I was slow. Dont act like the victim... when you clearly went on the offensive to attack my character first.
Hahah are you twelve? All you can do is shoot shit back. You are slow if you believe wht you are saying. There are people who care about shit in this world. Maybe you dont but I do. I dont give a rats ass if "everyone" is against you. Maybe you should think and realize you're wrong and that's why everyone disagrees with you. Hmm fucking rocket science isnt it?
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Dood I know... I love talking about these topics even when your not on the favorable side cause it lets you think about things in the long run... & what you truly believe in. I mean its easy to attack anybody on the board, its much harder to think carefully about the reality of things.

The way I see it is:

1) Yes animal cruelty is bad... and that skinning the animal crap while its alive is inhumane but...
2) Even if your moved by this... I can say from experience that many people wont do anything about it which makes them just as guilty as those who are doing the animal injustices.

& the thing is... I'm admitting to it... I'm admitting that shit I'm not gonna do a damn thing--not because im inhumane but thats just because we pick what fights to fight and which fights to run away from...
Quite the change in your story now.

Went from who fucking cares to this is bad. You flip flop more then Hillary Clinton.
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Hahah are you twelve? All you can do is shoot shit back. You are slow if you believe wht you are saying. There are people who care about shit in this world. Maybe you dont but I do. I dont give a rats ass if "everyone" is against you. Maybe you should think and realize you're wrong and that's why everyone disagrees with you. Hmm fucking rocket science isnt it?
isnt that the point of a debate? to "shoot shit back". i dont get why your adding all the swearing. why am i slow if i believe what im saying? its true. and if you cant see it... your blind.

yes there are people who care about shit in the world, but you choose what battles to fight. maybe i dont? i do... i just dont particularly see much of a fighto n this one. maybe i should think im wrong? tell me something that i've said that was wrong? do you truely believe this thread will make an impact? do you really think your going to save an animal from being inhumanely killed? what im saying is the general populus who reads this will turn the blind eye.

try to stay on topic and stop attacking me as a person. i think these arguments are better in a formal discussion seeing as i believe it would lead to less direct attacks on individuals. im trying to stay as civil as possible... please do the same.
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      05-14-2008, 11:48 PM   #72
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Quite the change in your story now.

Went from who fucking cares to this is bad. You flip flop more then Hillary Clinton.
"well this happens in our own backyards.

imo i turn the blind eye and just move on... cause i know animal rights isnt exactly of high concern to the majority of the population. its one of those "oh thats sad" kinda things and then you forget about it the next day."

my first post.

try not to keep swearing... its not exactly a good way to further your responses which i'm enjoying. i dont exactly get the hiliary clinton remark... i'm not following the democratic presidential race... but yeah once again try to keep your responses on topic.

i didn't say nobody cared. i said i turned the blind eye... which means i acknowledge what is happening but know i will not be the one who will change anything. and when i make a comparison of others to myself... what i mean to say is just by saying "oh man that sucks"... it doesnt change a thing which is comparable to me turning the blind eye and not doing a thing.. cause the end result is exactly the same.

i mean dont you think its the same? if i dont do anything and pretend like its not there. is that not equivalent to knowing its there and doing nothing about it?



oh & question. what exactly are you doing to prevent animal cruelty?
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      05-15-2008, 12:12 AM   #73
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I curse a lot and that's just me. Not intended for anything, just the way I talk.

Anyways I'm done with this, if you believe there's nothing wrong with this or people indirectly supporting this then more power to you.
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I curse a lot and that's just me. Not intended for anything, just the way I talk.

Anyways I'm done with this, if you believe there's nothing wrong with this or people indirectly supporting this then more power to you.
i think i typed the same thing like 5 times already. there is something wrong but i wont be the one to stop it. but yes i do believe that people are indirectly supporting it.
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WTF!!! THAT RACOON WAS STILL ALIVE WITHOUT ITS SKIN!!! OMFG dude i am scarred for life. jesus christ that is so fucking sad. i hope those faggots get skinned alive so they know what it feels like. Sick fucks. is it really that hard to inject the animal with poison so it atleast goes out of its misery before being skinned? seriously wtf.
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It is pretty sad!! There is a animal farm few mins away from where i live... in our culture it is normal!!
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the skinning is fine. But skinning the animal while its ALIVE and then it moving around without skin! seriously...wtf. that fucking enrages me. So tempted to make racial remarks but i am not going to because the entire world is fucked up. We only know about this so far.
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WTF!!! THAT RACOON WAS STILL ALIVE WITHOUT ITS SKIN!!! OMFG dude i am scarred for life. jesus christ that is so fucking sad. i hope those faggots get skinned alive so they know what it feels like. Sick fucks. is it really that hard to inject the animal with poison so it atleast goes out of its misery before being skinned? seriously wtf.
For all those people saying kill it first before skinning it. Let me ask you this. Snakes get skinned alive all the time for their skin. Do you feel sad for them too? Probably not right? So what's the difference here? Racoon has fur?
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If those guys in the video are Buddhists, I'm pretty sure they will end up being reincarnated into raccoon dogs in their next life.
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If those guys in the video are Buddhists, I'm pretty sure they will end up being reincarnated into raccoon dogs in their next life.

superstitious guy..
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Animals get killed around the world. Canadians kill seals. Cows, pigs, chickens are killed in North American in unhumane ways. Japanese kill whales and wipe out the oceans of fish and sea life. The French force feed ducks with a tube in its mouth to make Foie gras. Don't blame a specific country for their problems. We all need to make a living and we all need make a living and eat. Yes, large fish eat smaller fish. Lions hunt for zebras too.

yes, we can kill and eat animals

but that doesn't mean that you can apply such methods

there is morality to uphold
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Just watched a show about thoroughbred horses and what a crappy life they live. Once the horses stop making money for the trainers/owners, they are sold to someone who takes them to be auctioned for as little as $200-$500 a horse. Most of the people who buy them at the auctions take them to the slaughterhouse. In order to kill them, they use a hand held device that sends an electric shock through the horse's brain. The device (designed for cows who have bigger heads and don't move) doesn't always work because the horse moves around a lot and they miss the target. They then hang the horse upside down by one leg (while the horse is still alive at times) and slit their necks to bleed them out. Yes, this happens here too.
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For all those people saying kill it first before skinning it. Let me ask you this. Snakes get skinned alive all the time for their skin. Do you feel sad for them too? Probably not right? So what's the difference here? Racoon has fur?
Um that's pretty f*ckin messed up too.

I hate it when people dismiss animals just because they're not "cute".
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i like the argument of 'humans are dying, who cares about animals??'

Unfortunately, in most cases I prefer animals to humans...
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