M5board video - E92 M3 vs. 997 C2S - M3 Forum 2010 2009 BMW M3 2008 BMW M3 BMW E90 M3 E92

T Bone · 04-08-2008, 05:54 PM

The one we have been waiting for....

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=116526

Looks like Gustav is still posting....go over there and demand he put it up.

Doesn't look too good for the VW Beetle cum "modern" sportscar

footie · 04-08-2008, 06:57 PM

It's a shame the start seems to be missed for the video, though the result speaks volumes, it wasn't even that tight a match.

I am more and more looking forward to ownership.

MDCTFTW · 04-08-2008, 07:23 PM

Oh snap ... C2S = lose. Glad I didn't go Porsche.

T Bone · 04-08-2008, 08:44 PM

Here is the link for the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g

Saigon · 04-08-2008, 10:12 PM

damn so fast

K3N R3D · 04-08-2008, 11:18 PM

Isn't the C2S 355hp? Not very surprising here.

Epacy · 04-08-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by K3N R3D

Isn't the C2S 355hp? Not very surprising here.

Yes, however, claimed weight is 3,131 lbs (Manual) and 3,219 lbs (Tiptronic S).

K3N R3D · 04-08-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Epacy

Yes, however, claimed weight is 3,131 lbs (Manual) and 3,219 lbs (Tiptronic S).

I guess 60 hp makes up the difference + more in weight

KonigsTiger · 04-09-2008, 01:06 AM

Great vid!! Wow!

M3Bond · 04-09-2008, 01:07 AM

what a crap video and he wants u to buy the DVD, please -bye bye gustavo!

gorun · 04-09-2008, 02:58 AM

Is it a manual carrera? Wicked result!

montreal red · 04-09-2008, 03:32 AM

wow i thought it would be a tighter match than that... cant believe the m3 ate the carrera s

swamp2 · 04-09-2008, 03:46 AM

I thought they would be closer actually.

Devo: You have been absent for some time. Are you watching??

OBI_agent · 04-09-2008, 04:25 AM

The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.

gorun · 04-09-2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBI_agent

The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.

But then the swedes will use a DCT M3...

Boshhaab · 04-09-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OBI_agent

The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.

Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.

gorun · 04-09-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Boshhaab

Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.

Its all good stuff! Lets wait and see, both cars are brilliant!

OBI_agent · 04-09-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gorun

But then the swedes will use a DCT M3...

Yeh ....the DCT on the M3 is going to be awesome bro. Double clutch is the future.
Do I dare say it will be better then DSG(PDK)......only time will tell!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boshhaab

Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.

Haha.....I didnt want to say that on an M3board. Flame suit on

Honestly, I hope Carrera is faster then a M3.The reason behind is that, I think the Carrera is a high end car and I wouldnt like loosing to a car that is 20k cheaper then mine. Carrera is a performance oriented car and it just has to be fast in straight and curves.

dechoong · 04-09-2008, 12:06 PM

It's an in-gear acceleration test from 50km/h to 260km/h, not a standing start comparison.

Stock 997 C2S runs the E92 M3 very close up to 160km/h. Beyond 160km/h the M3's greater HP has the advantage.

Not a surprising result.

devo · 04-09-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swamp2

I thought they would be closer actually.

Devo: You have been absent for some time. Are you watching??

I am watching.

I would have thought it would have been closer as well. I would expect the M to run harder on top, but this proves the M to be very fast. I hope that these are equally strong/ good examples.

If this is truely indicative of the disparity between these two cars, then kudos +1 to BMW. I just do not know that I truely believe it. The numerous road tests do not support this kind of whipping. Nothing against Gustav, but it does seem that he will find an M that will beat just about everything.

We will have to see what PAG gives the 911S. After seeing this video, anything shy of a 30 HP bump with DI will fall short.

M-DCT and PDK will be a wash.

footie · 04-09-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by devo

I just do not know that I truely believe it. The numerous road tests do not support this kind of whipping. Nothing against Gustav, but it does seem that he will find an M that will beat just about everything.

This might make me fall out of favour with some other members but I couldn't agree more this your comments, I have watched the RS4 being beaten by cars which are nothing more than equals, the M5 and M6 defeating things which should clear win with ease and this too seem to be another occasion when the result differs from what should be expected.

Until this event loses it's BMW status it will always be seen as favoring the Munich brand.

lucid · 04-09-2008, 01:10 PM

This is a bit surprising. I wouldn't have thought that the 911S would have been owned in this respect. It's not just a matter of what happens above 100mph, they seem to be going fairly slow at the beginning although it is hard to tell. Why didn't they just show the rolling start?

04-08-2008, 05:54 PM	#1
T Bone Brigadier General Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The land where we kill baby seals Posts: 4,011 iTrader: (0)	M5board video - E92 M3 vs. 997 C2S The one we have been waiting for.... http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=116526 Looks like Gustav is still posting....go over there and demand he put it up. Doesn't look too good for the VW Beetle cum "modern" sportscar __________________ "Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari

04-08-2008, 06:57 PM	#2
footie Commander-in-Chief Drives: ???????????? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In a house near you Posts: 6,198 iTrader: (0) View footie's Garage	It's a shame the start seems to be missed for the video, though the result speaks volumes, it wasn't even that tight a match. I am more and more looking forward to ownership. __________________ 2010 ????????????? 2009 **XF3.0dS Portfolio** (hanging in there by a thread) 2009 Golf GTI Mk6 1967 Lotus Elan (Restoration project on hold) 1967 Austin Mini 850

04-08-2008, 08:44 PM	#4
T Bone Brigadier General Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The land where we kill baby seals Posts: 4,011 iTrader: (0)	Here is the link for the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g __________________ "Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari

04-08-2008, 11:18 PM	#6
K3N R3D Lieutenant Major Drives: E92 M3 on order... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 1,263 iTrader: (0)	Isn't the C2S 355hp? Not very surprising here. __________________ ------------------------------------------------ When the voice and the vision on the inside, become more profound than the opinions and pictures on the outside...You've mastered your life!

04-09-2008, 01:06 AM	#9
KonigsTiger Racying Dynamics Drives: E92M3 RS46 Club Sport, others Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dweller Posts: 4,360 iTrader: (0)	Great vid!! Wow! __________________ ==================================================

04-08-2008, 07:23 PM	#3
MDCTFTW Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E92 DCT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 1,786 iTrader: (0)	Oh snap ... C2S = lose. Glad I didn't go Porsche.

04-08-2008, 10:12 PM	#5
Saigon Major Drives: Alpine White E93 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,273 iTrader: (19)	damn so fast

04-09-2008, 01:07 AM	#10
M3Bond New Member Drives: 2008 E92 (on order) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 12 iTrader: (0)	what a crap video and he wants u to buy the DVD, please -bye bye gustavo!

04-09-2008, 02:58 AM	#11
gorun Lieutenant Drives: E92 AW DCT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Across the Wall Posts: 416 iTrader: (0)	Is it a manual carrera? Wicked result!

04-09-2008, 03:32 AM	#12
montreal red chris Drives: Mel Red e92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: montreal Posts: 8,024 iTrader: (13)	wow i thought it would be a tighter match than that... cant believe the m3 ate the carrera s __________________ 08 e92 M3: MelRed, MDrive, Exec Pack, EDC, 6MT. Mods: OEM Alu Pedals, UUC RK Knob, Alcantara Shift Boot, Custom Steering Wheel, Venture Shield, Window tints, Bastuck exhaust, Painted reflectors, Matte Black Stuff, VRS Front Lip, Mtec 4750k Angels, Custom Black 19" Advan RS, MS Air Filter. Custom Steering Wheels

04-09-2008, 03:46 AM	#13
swamp2 Major General Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Posts: 6,421 iTrader: (1)	I thought they would be closer actually. Devo: You have been absent for some time. Are you watching??

04-09-2008, 04:25 AM	#14
OBI_agent D to the X to the B! Drives: Accord V6 , 2005 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,603 iTrader: (0)	The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance. __________________ 05 Accord V6

04-09-2008, 12:06 PM	#19
dechoong First Lieutenant Drives: E60 530 Sport Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: KL Posts: 359 iTrader: (0)	It's an in-gear acceleration test from 50km/h to 260km/h, not a standing start comparison. Stock 997 C2S runs the E92 M3 very close up to 160km/h. Beyond 160km/h the M3's greater HP has the advantage. Not a surprising result.

04-09-2008, 01:10 PM	#22
lucid Moderator Drives: Z4M coupe; E30 M3 track Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 7,499 iTrader: (0) View lucid's Garage	This is a bit surprising. I wouldn't have thought that the 911S would have been owned in this respect. It's not just a matter of what happens above 100mph, they seem to be going fairly slow at the beginning although it is hard to tell. Why didn't they just show the rolling start? __________________