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View Poll Results: Which car would owned who? new M3 or IS-F | |||
4.0 liter V8 414 HP 295 lb-ft torque BMW e90/92 M3 |
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251 | 72.54% |
5.0-liter V8 416 HP 371 lb-ft torque Lexus IS-F |
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46 | 13.29% |
Just the same- depends on the driver |
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49 | 14.16% |
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03-30-2008, 09:12 PM | #45 | |
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Most forums especially IS and Lexus forums have very positive and nice things to say about the M3 and BMW in general. And why not. It's idiot fanboys and morons like sayemthree that gives BMW a bad rep. Last edited by gbb357; 03-30-2008 at 10:02 PM. |
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03-30-2008, 10:23 PM | #46 | |
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Sayemthree, trust me I understand your enthusiasm for the M3, but I do not discredit any other car maker for an attempt at the m3's market. Competition honestly improves our cars. The more they step up the more bmw does and that only improves the car.
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03-30-2008, 11:16 PM | #49 |
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03-31-2008, 12:27 AM | #50 | |
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fully agree that competition is good - with AMG, Audi and now Lexus close on thier heals it helps keep BMW honest. its not so much that I discredit any other car maker for an attempt at the m3's market....but the fact that BMW is the target and those that own a Toyota or Lexus need to admit just that - its an attempt. |
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03-31-2008, 09:08 AM | #52 |
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The IS-F is no M3 but at the same time thinking it's just some boring Lexus is silly. I've have about 700 miles on mine so far and it's a completely different animal compared to the IS350 I had a year or so ago. It may not be quite up to snuff with the M3 but for the price and the fact that it's the first time in production...it's a damn good car.
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03-31-2008, 12:17 PM | #53 | ||
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now that we admit the F is an attempt lets take the next step and admit the F got OWNED by the M3. Quote:
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03-31-2008, 01:48 PM | #54 | |
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Thks to GreggW for fnding this C&D article I mentioned http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...06#post2396206 SO! Anymore unbelievers out there? IS-F just 100 lbs more!
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P.S. The ES models where based on the Camry as well as the current ES model right now. So why don't you admit as well that you have no idea what you're talking about. Last edited by gbb357; 03-31-2008 at 04:14 PM. |
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03-31-2008, 02:38 PM | #56 | |
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Mercedes started the current power wars, with Audi an eager player and BMW just beginning to get with the program. The M brand is (nearly) legendary, but not broad. The other guys allow broader high-performance choices, with more to come. Lexus sees the market embracing the hot-car concept, and since they don't have anything to compete in that space, every time someone gets interested in high performance, they lose a buyer. Often someone who was a repeat buyer. The answer for them is to offer high performance in the Lexus manner, so as not to open up their own offerings to further pirating. Therefore, for instance, the IS-F is automatic only and offers Lexus luxury. The other performance offerings from Lexus are mostly hybrids. If they were shooting for the M3, they'd offer manual transmissions and other items that would allow them to compete more directly. Their solution is not to compete directly with the M3, because from a marketing standpoint that would open them up for further encroachment on their own market - since an M3 clone means you're a me-too outfit. This way, they get to keep their mainstream buyers who would otherwise have to bolt to another manufacturer if they're looking for speed and handling in addition to their luxury and nearly absolute reliability and dependability. Sure the nutbooks and industry pundits say they're direct competitors, and if you're new to either brand, so they are. But that ain't why the IS-F came into being. Bruce |
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03-31-2008, 09:23 PM | #59 | |
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Damn sayemtree, you really are a moron.
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P.S. Better yet, why don't you admit that you're a moron. Last edited by gbb357; 03-31-2008 at 09:39 PM. |
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03-31-2008, 09:26 PM | #60 | |
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I'll post it for you again Sayemtree.
Reading is fundamental Sayemtree.
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Isn't Sayemtree the guy who thought the m5 was an m3?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127194
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04-01-2008, 10:58 AM | #66 |
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I have been a M3 fanboy as you call yourself since the e30 m3. I probably know more about the m3 then you pretend to. My car is here and because I am a true enthusiast I am waiting until April 30 to take performance center deliver, most things new m3 owners would not even consider or even know about. Your arguments make no sense and have no information to back them up.
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