BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Coding / ConnectedDrive / Audio-Video / Electronics / Bluetooth / I-Drive & Nav
 
BPM Sport
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-28-2008, 11:35 AM   #45
e46e92love
Brigadier General
e46e92love's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
3,059
Posts

 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
+1

Who cares about arrows when you know the thing is going off for a legitimate reason - not a false! If you drive the same roads most of the time (like most of us I'd guess), then the ability to program out known falses is invaluable... My 9500i is dead silent during daily commutes unless there's really something to be worried about

As to your question, in all honesty, either a V1, BEL STI, or Escort 8500 X50 / 9500i would be my recommendations... Any of those would be a fine choice - just comes down to personal preference.
From coming from someone who knows a few troopers, one day you are going to get cooked. Cops know that those with radar detectors, even those without the GPS marking system, remember where false signal are because of signs or permanent mounted radar guns. The cops then sit right by the signal and laugh their ass off as you blow by thinking its just the same false signal as always. Happens all the time on 476 (Blue Route) in PA. So be careful.
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.

Last edited by e46e92love; 03-28-2008 at 05:31 PM.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 11:53 AM   #46
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
From coming from someone who knows a few troopers, one day you are going to get cooked. Cops know that those with radar detectors, even those without the GPS marking system, remember where false signal are because of signs or permanent mounted radar guns. The cops then sit right by the signal and laugh their ass off as you blow by thinking its just the same false signal as always. Happens all the time on 467 (Blue Route) in PA. So be careful.
That's why bogie counters come in handy. If you always get the same number of bogies at some particular place, but then one day your bogie counter goes up by one (or two), you know the cops are there.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 11:55 AM   #47
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
+1

Who cares about arrows when you know the thing is going off for a legitimate reason - not a false! If you drive the same roads most of the time (like most of us I'd guess), then the ability to program out known falses is invaluable... My 9500i is dead silent during daily commutes unless there's really something to be worried about
I'd rather have false positives than false negatives. Think about that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
As to your question, in all honesty, either a V1, BEL STI, or Escort 8500 X50 / 9500i would be my recommendations... Any of those would be a fine choice - just comes down to personal preference.
I agree. Unless you're in Virginia or DC, then there is only one -- BEL STI.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 11:56 AM   #48
Keto
Lieutenant Colonel
Keto's Avatar
United_States
21
Rep
1,585
Posts

 
Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: WHO DAT NATION

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2015 BMW M3  [5.00]
V1 > all. Those arrows will save your ass.
__________________
2015 SO/SO MT M3 :: Exec : Lighting : Adaptive : HK : CF trim : Full leather : DAP : Black 19's : sunshade
Crystalline tint 40%/70% on windshield : M performance mirrors, spoiler, splitters, lip : RKP diffuser : Fully dechromed
Bavsound Stage 1 : V1 Savvy hardwired : Self-coded, will code locally for beer or food
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 12:40 PM   #49
gtb75
Private
gtb75's Avatar
1
Rep
95
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: IL, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
From coming from someone who knows a few troopers, one day you are going to get cooked. Cops know that those with radar detectors, even those without the GPS marking system, remember where false signal are because of signs or permanent mounted radar guns. The cops then sit right by the signal and laugh their ass off as you blow by thinking its just the same false signal as always. Happens all the time on 467 (Blue Route) in PA. So be careful.
Firstly, I road race (BMWCCA, NASA, etc.) - speeding on public roads is stupid. Secondly, I haven't had a moving violation in over 11 years - and I don't drive slow cars (see my sig). I use a radar detector as a reminder more than anything.

As far as LEO's "hiding behind" other devices which emit a radar signal, read my post in this thread about how the 9500i works... The 9500i only marks an exact frequency - not the entire band. A K-band automatic door uses a different frequency than a K-band gun, and the 9500i can distinguish between the two. Also, the Escorts can display multiple bogies on multiple frequencies when using ExpertMeter... Each vertical bar next to the band letter in the display is a signal strength indicator for that specific alert. Additionally, the Escorts can also display the exact frequency of the signal being tracked when using SpecDisplay.

See here for more information on the 9500i: http://www.escortradar.com/9500i.htm
__________________
2006 Corvette Z06
Black / Ebony - 459RWHP / 438RWTQ

2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Wagon
Brilliant Silver / Tweed M5 - 229AWHP / 260AWTQ
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 05:31 PM   #50
e46e92love
Brigadier General
e46e92love's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
3,059
Posts

 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by ersin View Post
That's why bogie counters come in handy. If you always get the same number of bogies at some particular place, but then one day your bogie counter goes up by one (or two), you know the cops are there.
Does the 9500 count bogies?
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 05:34 PM   #51
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
Does the 9500 count bogies?
Yes, apparently so. This was answered by a 9500 owner a few posts ago.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 05:36 PM   #52
e46e92love
Brigadier General
e46e92love's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
3,059
Posts

 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
Firstly, I road race (BMWCCA, NASA, etc.) - speeding on public roads is stupid. Secondly, I haven't had a moving violation in over 11 years - and I don't drive slow cars (see my sig). I use a radar detector as a reminder more than anything.
Dude, relax. I wasn't cutting on you or your driving skills. All I was trying to say is the troopers ain't dumb and lots of people forget they know about all of teh technology. I'm sorry I was unaware that the 9500 counts boggies. And if you think speeding is so dumb why are you in this thread---technically 10 over the speed limit is speeding, so you saying 75 in a 65 is stupid? More importantly why would you own road cars that can go fast if you think speeding is stupid? Just build a stripped down race car to take to the track. Why by a "not slow car" if you plan on going slow?

Either way, no intention to insult or attack you and I am sorry if it came off that way.
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 05:37 PM   #53
e46e92love
Brigadier General
e46e92love's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
3,059
Posts

 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by ersin View Post
Yes, apparently so. This was answered by a 9500 owner a few posts ago.
My bad......
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 05:45 PM   #54
billycorgan
Leaky Injector
billycorgan's Avatar
Philippines
0
Rep
10
Posts

 
Drives: BMW 850i 6-speed
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Daly City, CA

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to billycorgan
seriously, the v1 arrows WILL com in handy. if the arrow is pointing forward while the proximity beeps get flatlined, you can look from side to side and find out where's the cop is hiding. if the arrow is pointing behind you, you can keep checking your rear view mirror. being a v1 user for many years, i find this information to be invaluable. without those arrows, you just got a flashing box that makes noise.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 07:14 PM   #55
gtb75
Private
gtb75's Avatar
1
Rep
95
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: IL, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
Dude, relax. I wasn't cutting on you or your driving skills. All I was trying to say is the troopers ain't dumb and lots of people forget they know about all of teh technology. I'm sorry I was unaware that the 9500 counts boggies. And if you think speeding is so dumb why are you in this thread---technically 10 over the speed limit is speeding, so you saying 75 in a 65 is stupid? More importantly why would you own road cars that can go fast if you think speeding is stupid? Just build a stripped down race car to take to the track. Why by a "not slow car" if you plan on going slow?

Either way, no intention to insult or attack you and I am sorry if it came off that way.
I didn't take your post as an insult - I was just commenting on my driving style. I also have a friend who's a county cop, so I know their side of it as well. I personally don't consider 5-10 over speeding, even though it technically is... I was talking about the fools who street race on public roads

As far as my owning fast cars, my plan is to replace both of my current cars in '09 with an E92 M3 and then get a tow vehicle / dedicated track car (C5 or E36 M3). While I don't drive like an idiot on public roads, I certainly do enjoy my driving... I was on a GT-R kick for a while, but came back to the M3 for that very reason - driver enjoyment / involvement. Seeing as the street is where I have to do most of my driving, I might as well enjoy it
__________________
2006 Corvette Z06
Black / Ebony - 459RWHP / 438RWTQ

2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Wagon
Brilliant Silver / Tweed M5 - 229AWHP / 260AWTQ
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 07:47 PM   #56
gtb75
Private
gtb75's Avatar
1
Rep
95
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: IL, USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ersin View Post
Yes, apparently so. This was answered by a 9500 owner a few posts ago.
Indeed it can - so can the 8500...

The 8500 and 9500i can simultenously display multiple signal indicators, for multiple bogies, on multiple bands. My V1 only had one signal strength indicator for all bands. While the bogie counter on the Escort is a signal strength indicator (not a number), it can display many of them at the same time. Just look at the ExpertMeter display on the link I provided above... Every vertical line next to the band letter is a signal strength indicator for a single source. So in that picture, it's displaying the following:

2 KA-band signals at maximum strength
2 K-band signals at maximum strength
4 X-band signals at maximum strength

The 9500i also adds a few "nice to have features" beyond the GPS... Things like an ambient noise sensor for automatic volume control and an ambient light sensor for automatic brightness. It's a truly "set it and forget it" device. For daily commuting in my area, all I need to do is get in and drive... If it goes off, I know the there's a LEO in the area because it would be silent otherwise. No, the Escorts don't have the arrows, but that's the only thing they're missing in my book.

As I said earlier, the 9500i, V1, and STI are all great detectors - just comes down to personal preference
__________________
2006 Corvette Z06
Black / Ebony - 459RWHP / 438RWTQ

2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Wagon
Brilliant Silver / Tweed M5 - 229AWHP / 260AWTQ
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 08:14 PM   #57
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
Indeed it can - so can the 8500...

The 8500 and 9500i can simultenously display multiple signal indicators, for multiple bogies, on multiple bands. ...
I guess it late for me or maybe I'm just dense . But, I can't figure out how the multiple signal indicators is useful. Now, if you had say, an LCD display, something like a color iPod display, then you could have it display signal strength for each bogie and combine this with the direction that the signal is coming from, then that would really be useful. Just an idea.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
The 9500i also adds a few "nice to have features" beyond the GPS... Things like an ambient noise sensor for automatic volume control and an ambient light sensor for automatic brightness.

As I said earlier, the 9500i, V1, and STI are all great detectors - just comes down to personal preference
V1 has a light sensor too, but no auto volume. They should add that. But I certainly agree that either of those three detectors are tops and any would get the job done. See one of my previous posts in this thread. If you can't decide which one you want, then get all three and send the two you don't want back before the 30 day money back thing.

One exception to this though: if you drive in Virginia, DC or certain (most) provinces in Canada then only the Bel STI will do.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 08:31 PM   #58
e46e92love
Brigadier General
e46e92love's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
3,059
Posts

 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtb75 View Post
Seeing as the street is where I have to do most of my driving, I might as well enjoy it
I hear that........amen brother.
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 10:41 PM   #59
oneginee
Banned
6
Rep
416
Posts

 
Drives: GT3 RS
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SE

iTrader: (0)

Notice the score on radar range (Sensitivity), 61 percent higher than second-best Passport 8500, and nearly double that of third-place BEL.

Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 11:33 PM   #60
gtb75
Private
gtb75's Avatar
1
Rep
95
Posts

 
Drives: 2006 Corvette Z06
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: IL, USA

iTrader: (0)

Wow, a review from 2002 on technology that changes on an almost annual basis - not too useful... Here's something more current: http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=9090

Bottom line, you'll be able to find articles that support all three of the leading choices... Do your own research and pick whatever suits your needs best
__________________
2006 Corvette Z06
Black / Ebony - 459RWHP / 438RWTQ

2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Wagon
Brilliant Silver / Tweed M5 - 229AWHP / 260AWTQ
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2008, 11:37 PM   #61
M3Kevin
Private First Class
M3Kevin's Avatar
United_States
4
Rep
128
Posts

 
Drives: Alpine White 2008 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Phoenix AZ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2004 Corvette Z06  [0.00]
2004 GT3  [0.00]
2008 M3  [0.00]
Basically all the articles that you read out there are 'bait'. For the most part, paid for and written/ghost written by the winning company.

I think my best source of information was the number of people talking about each radar detector, and also knowing several people who have owned all of the top brands, and who've gone with one brand over them all.

From the thread here - it's pretty obvious which one that is.
__________________
A happy tire is a squeeling tire.

Happiness isn't around the corner - it IS the corner!
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2008, 12:26 AM   #62
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Craig Peterson (radartest.com) has a known bias against the V1. Keep that in mind. He also thinks a Dodge Magnum SRT-8 > M3 (and almost any other car) too -- that should tell you a bit about the guy. Don't just read radartest.com. Search for other sites.

Guys of lidar (http://www.guysoflidar.com/) do not 'bait'. They sell none of the products. They don't get paid. They don't declare a winner. They do the tests under as controlled environment as possible and then just present facts. Their latest test was August 2007.

And here's another good site to get radar info and other good stuff: http://veilguy.blogspot.com/.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2008, 12:31 AM   #63
Davinhci
Colonel
Davinhci's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
2,474
Posts

 
Drives: 08 M3 E92 & 08 E70 X5 4.8
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Valentine 1 best out there
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2008, 09:51 AM   #64
rmmcdaniel
Second Lieutenant
4
Rep
247
Posts

 
Drives: '09 E90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago & SF

iTrader: (0)

What about custom-installed detectors??

I have a V1 but when I get my E90 M3 delivered I was considering getting a Passport 9500ci installed (link below). What are others experience with custom-installed solutions?

The obvious benefits to me seem to be concealment and no windshield in the way to hinder performance. Cost and portability are obvious negatives.

http://www.escortradar.com/9500ci.htm
__________________
2009 E90 M3 - Silverstone/Fox Red - M-DCT, CW, PP, TP, 19", Moonroof, Sunshades, PDC, Enhanced Prem Sound, HD Radio, Sat, iPod, Smartphone Integration
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2008, 11:37 AM   #65
ersin
Brigadier General
ersin's Avatar
United_States
42
Rep
4,068
Posts

 
Drives: 08 IB E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rmmcdaniel View Post
I have a V1 but when I get my E90 M3 delivered I was considering getting a Passport 9500ci installed (link below). What are others experience with custom-installed solutions?

The obvious benefits to me seem to be concealment and no windshield in the way to hinder performance. Cost and portability are obvious negatives.

http://www.escortradar.com/9500ci.htm
I'm not sure if the 9500ci install is DIY, but I have always done the install for the V1 by myself. It's pretty easy as far as mods go. However, if you have never done anything like this before, then maybe have a professional do the install.

You can conceal the V1 pretty good with the concealed display module. But, at least for the V1, the main V1 unit is still up on the windshield. I hide it pretty good but it is still not stealth as say, installing a little thing in the bumper. The windshield does not hinder performance any amount noticeable unless you have metal tinted windows. I never consider portability. I install it and leave it. If I do want to bring into another car, I just slide it out of the mount. It's pretty easy with the V1, I don't know about other detectors. Still, it's not a concern for me.
__________________

I've been assimilated. 6MT/ZPP/18"/PS extended.
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2008, 11:55 AM   #66
rmmcdaniel
Second Lieutenant
4
Rep
247
Posts

 
Drives: '09 E90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chicago & SF

iTrader: (0)

I definitely would not be installing this myself. My dealership group is an authorized reseller/installer for it.
__________________
2009 E90 M3 - Silverstone/Fox Red - M-DCT, CW, PP, TP, 19", Moonroof, Sunshades, PDC, Enhanced Prem Sound, HD Radio, Sat, iPod, Smartphone Integration
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:37 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST