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      03-03-2008, 04:43 PM   #67
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It did appear as if Lamar screwed up on that play. He anticipated a baseline run by Dirk, god knows why, thats why he backed up. You never know though, maybe Phil and coaching staff watched some tape and told him to not let Dirk go towards the corner, push him to the top of the key where there's help. Maybe Gasol was suppose to have rotated over early just in that scenario but he was a step too slow. Whatever it was, somebody screwed up and gave Dirk a wide open shot and he drained it.
If he went to the baseline he doesn't have incredible footspeed. Lamar should still be able to get in front of him and the pass from Kidd would've been extremely difficult considering he caught it near the FT line. Remember, if Lamar gets close to Dirk, he is in front of him.

Ball denial and clock management.
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The pick would not have been as effective if Lamar Odom played the inbounds play correctly. Both Jeff Van Gundy and Rick Carlisle on ESPN explained the play in detail. Dirk was inbounding the ball and Lamar backed up several steps closer to Jason Kidd. Everyone knew the play was for Dirk, after inbounding the ball, Lamar needed to play ball denial on Dirk. If he did this, any screen would NOT have been as effective, in fact, they may have needed to use multiple screens which would have been a problem since they only had less than 7 seconds.

Lamar played great D most of the game but totally dropped the ball on that play. When you are up by 3, you don't give up the 3. When there's > 7 seconds left, then you let them score 2, chances are, they won't have that much time on their last shot. Up by 3, let them score 2. Let's say it takes them 3-4 seconds to make that shot. Then you have 3-4 seconds left on the game, Lakers inbound, they foul immediately, there will be 2-3 seconds left in the game (if that). Lakers make/miss FTs. Dallas has 2-3 seconds left in the game but they were OUT OF TIMEOUTS.
Yes I can agree on Lamar's lack of talent when it comes to defending a 3 point shot from an inbound play. He should've stuck to Dirk from the moment he released the ball into play and to the moment he got it back from Kidd or whoever it was.

STILL doesn't negate the fact that Jason Terry gave Farmar a nice New England Patriot linesmen frontward push colliding Farmar to Lamar. That's a violation, period.

You can argue that if Lamar limited the gap between him and Dirk from the inbound, then the screen wouldn't have been as effective. HOWEVER, you can understand that if Jason Terry was going to provide a moving screen (PUSHING Farmar with his elbows into a favorable position), he could've easily pushed him to Lamar regardless of how close he was on Dirk.

Not athlete is responsive, skillful, and god like when it comes to clutch plays (#24 is an exception), on offensive/defensive. That's why we rely on efficient officiating for the game to be played fairly. In my observation, this game was not officiated fairly.

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Yes I can agree on Lamar's lack of talent when it comes to defending a 3 point shot from an inbound play. He should've stuck to Dirk from the moment he released the ball into play and to the moment he got it back from Kidd or whoever it was.

STILL doesn't negate the fact that Jason Terry gave Farmar a nice New England Patriot linesmen frontward push colliding Farmar to Lamar. That's a violation, period.
Well Farmar should've switched.

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You can argue that if Lamar limited the gap between him and Dirk from the inbound, then the screen wouldn't have been as effective. HOWEVER, you can understand that if Jason Terry was going to provide a moving screen (PUSHING Farmar with his elbows into a favorable position), he could've easily pushed him to Lamar regardless of how close he was on Dirk.

Not athlete is responsive, skillful, and god like when it comes to clutch plays (#24 is an exception), on offensive/defensive. That's why we rely on efficient officiating for the game to be played fairly. In my observation, this game was not officiated fairly.

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You can say that but Dallas fans will point to the amount of FTs Kobe took compared to them. He outshot their entire team. They wouldn't look at the fact that they are a jumpshooting team though.
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Well the moving screen is a reasonable non-call because of the late game situation. You shouldn't really call it. Especially since they have not been calling the moving screens the whole night, they weren't going to call it then.

The way the game was going though, I wouldn't be surprised that if Lamar did stick Dirk, he wouldn't ran over the screen, and got called on that while Dirk drains a 3 making a 4 point or 5 point play. So the result of Lakers winning is good enough.
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Well Farmar should've switched.



You can say that but Dallas fans will point to the amount of FTs Kobe took compared to them. He outshot their entire team. They wouldn't look at the fact that they are a jumpshooting team though.
Well, that's the point, he couldn't have switched, because Terry made it impossible for him, illegally.

Dallas fans can point to the amout of FTs Kobe took over and over. I mean, this complaint has been going on for years, it's nothing new. From 2000-2004, the hack-a-Shaq strategy was initially intended for Shaq to shoot freethrows, but the tradition rubbed off onto other teams, & then the strategy became a habitual thing to players that just CAN'T stop him. He was THE only dominant force during that time. Just like Kobe, he is the dominant force now, and opponents just have to foul him to increase the chance of him missing.

They achieved it, first half.

But then again, Kobe is Kobe, therefore the 14-14 in 2nd half.

I guess my point is that, if you have the best player on your team, you're going to get most of the calls in your favor. It is what it is. Many perks when you are the best player.
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Just saw this... Very funny for us Lakers Fans.....

Kobe agrees to Bulls trade only if he gets to be renamed “Michael Jordan”

LOS ANGELES, CA and CHICAGO, IL–After weeks of speculation, Kobe Bryant has agreed to be traded to the Chicago Bulls, but with an unusual stipulation.

“The Bulls are ecstatic to announce that we’ve traded for Kobe Bryant today,” announced general manager John Paxson. “Rather, I should say, the Chicago Bulls have traded for Michael Jordan.”

That’s right; the Bulls agreed to the trade with the Lakers, sending the Lakers forward Tyrus Thomas; shooting guard Ben Gordon; forward Andres Nocioni; two draft picks; and one special caveat–that Kobe Bryant is now known as Michael Jordan.

“This is not simply a semantic thing,” said Paxson. “The player formerly known as Kobe Bryant is now actually Michael Jordan. And I gotta be candid, the Bulls are thrilled to have Michael Jordan back in action.”

By a special arrangement as part of the trade, Michael Jordan will get to keep both the stats he accumulated as Kobe Bryant, as well as his previous statistics as Michael Jordan. “I’m thrilled to be back with the Bulls, going for my tenth title,” said Michael Jordan. “I see Luol Deng as being a very similar presence to what we had with Scottie Pippen, and I see Ben Wallace as being a sort of 21st century Dennis Rodman, without the wedding dresses. So overall I really like our chances.”

Lakers head coach Phil Jackson was sad to part ways with Michael Jordan again. “I mean, we won nine titles together – three different three-peats,” Jackson said. “So it’s tough. I wish Michael the best of luck in his return to the Bulls. I think the Eastern Conference is looking better and better with the addition of Michael Jordan.”

Chicago mayor Richard Daley was thrilled about the trade. “Look, I was here when Michael was with the Bulls the first two times, so I know just what a tremendous impact he’s going to have on the Bulls,” he said. “And I couldn’t be happier. Michael is a pillar of this community, and we wish him well as he goes for his 13th scoring title, his tenth NBA finals trophy, and his sixth MVP award. He is truly a treasure of Chicago, and the city welcomes him back.”
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Sorry guys Suns are winning this year.
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Sorry guys Suns are winning this year.
Like the Pats did?
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Sorry guys Suns are winning this year.
Hey can I have some of that stuff you are smoking? They still look pretty weak even with Shaq-fu
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Sorry guys Suns are winning this year.

3-4 with shaq... hmmm. That's a winning record by anyone's standard. Yes, I'd say Suns will win it...
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3-4 with shaq... hmmm. That's a winning record by anyone's standard. Yes, I'd say Suns will win it...
I broke this down for a delusional Suns fan on another forum.

Since the Shaq trade, both teams respective stats:

Suns
130, 77, 116, 113 (Memphis), 120, 119 (Philly), 92 (Portland)
Suns opponent avg:
109.57

Lakers in the same period:
124, 95, 91, 83, 88, 119, 104, 105
Lakers opponent avg:
101.12

Suns PPG:
124, 85, 86, 127, 103, 114, 97
Average - 105.14

Lakers PPG:
130, 113, 111, 96, 106, 111 108, 117
Average - 111.15


Suns record:
3-4 - Suns PPG 105.14 Opponents PPG 109.57
Lakers record:
7-1 - Lakers PPG 115.15 Opponents PPG 101.12
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I told my friend after their game against the Lakers the Suns fan just saw the best Shaq will ever perform for them ever again. At that point he was the most rested, and the most motivated he will ever be.
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