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      02-28-2008, 05:40 PM   #45
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I hadn't noticed your post until I came here looking for a link to use on another web forum.

I had hoped that yesterday would have gone a little better for Huckabee. I was looking for him to pick up about 15 delegates from Wisconsin, but it looks like there may have been none. Onward to Texas, Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island.

I've been expecting to see Huckabee pick up maybe 80 more delegates from Texas where he should fair much better than Wisconsin. But it doesn't matter a great deal now. It's unlikely he will be able to force a brokered convention, and even then we would likely have McCain as the nominee. This is too bad. I was looking forward to a domestic agenda.

With McCain, if his foreign policy plan is actually pursued (which is where he is supposed to have his strength) then he will not have much time for domestic issues. I do not look forward to the next five years. And beyond that, if he succeeds in creating all these new organizations, they wouldn't end with his presidency.
Are you implying that a Democrat can't win?
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Are you implying that a Democrat can't win?
No. We won't know until at least November 4. Leading up to the election, of course, there will be many polls to indicate what might be expected.

My point might have better been stated if I had first indicated that I dread the possibility of a Democrat in the White House in 2009 before I expressed my apprehension about a McCain presidency.
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No. We won't know until at least November 4. Leading up to the election, of course, there will be many polls to indicate what might be expected.

My point might have better been stated if I had first indicated that I dread the possibility of a Democrat in the White House in 2009 before I expressed my apprehension about a McCain presidency.
Why would you dread? We are spending 12b/month on war that was unnecessary, heading for recession and gas will hit $4/gal by spring. This is what 8 years of Bush delivered.

I mean, seriously, how bad can it get with Hillary or Obama?

Is it all about partisanship and religious values?
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Why would you dread? We are spending 12b/month on war that was unnecessary, heading for recession and gas will hit $4/gal by spring. This is what 8 years of Bush delivered.

I mean, seriously, how bad can it get with Hillary or Obama?

Is it all about partisanship and religious values?
WHat about great educations for our childrens...
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Why would you dread? We are spending 12b/month on war that was unnecessary, heading for recession and gas will hit $4/gal by spring. This is what 8 years of Bush delivered.

I mean, seriously, how bad can it get with Hillary or Obama?

Is it all about partisanship and religious values?
For all of my adult life I have disagreed with the Democrat Party on a great many major issues. I have agreed with the Republican Party on mostly the same issues where I disagreed with the Democrat Party. Hillary and Obama do nothing to endear me more to the Democrat party.

In considering what I will do once the Republican party has a nominee (wins 1191 delegates to the national convention) then I have to make some decisions (since it is apparent that my preferred candidate will not win 1191 delegates). I have started to consider the merits of supporting a third party. One that has some significant appeal is the Constitution Party.

I just went through the Constitution Party platform to get a better idea of whether I can support them in the upcoming elections. Here is what I noted on the platform topics:

Constitution Party Mission Statement

The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations.

Constitution Party National Platform

These are areas where I agree with the platform more than I disagree:
  • Sanctity of Life
  • AIDS
  • Bring Government Back Home
  • Character and Moral Conduct
  • Congressional Reform
  • Conscription
  • Constitutional Convention
  • Copyrights and Patents
  • Domestic Federal Aid
  • Drug Abuse
  • Family
  • The Judiciary
  • Personal and Private Property Security
  • Religious Freedom
  • Social Security
  • Statehood
  • Veterans
  • Welfare

These are areas of the platform where I partially agree/disagree or need more information:
  • Cost of Big Government
  • Crime
  • Education
  • Electoral College
  • Energy
  • Environment
  • Executive Orders
  • Gambling
  • Gun Control
  • Health Care and Government
  • Pornography
  • State Sovereignty
  • Tariffs and Trade
  • Taxes
  • Terrorism and Personal Liberty
  • Wage and Price Control

These are areas of the platform where I disagree more than I agree:
  • Defense
  • Election Reform
  • Foreign Policy
  • Immigration
  • Money and Banking
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You are aware that your vote for Constitution Party goes to democrats?
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Constitution Party name cleverly hides what the party stands for. It should be called Christian Fundamentalist Party.

Here are some statements from their platform. SCARY!!!!


Sanctity of Life

The pre-born child, whose life begins at fertilization, is a human being created in God's image. The first duty of the law is to prevent the shedding of innocent blood. It is, therefore, the duty of all civil governments to secure and to safeguard the lives of the pre-born.

After the child is born, we'll deny it health coverage and sent him/her in Iraq.

AIDS

HIV / AIDS is a contagious disease which is dangerous to public health. It should not be treated as a civil rights issue. Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. Criminal penalties should apply to those whose willful acts of omission or commission place members of the public at risk of contracting HIV / AIDS.

I'm speechless.


Education

All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans.

Because the federal government has absolutely no jurisdiction concerning the education of our children, the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed. No federal laws subsidizing or regulating the education of children should be enacted. Under no circumstances should the federal government be involved in national teacher certification, educational curricula, textbook selection, learning standards, comprehensive sex education, psychological and psychiatric research testing programs, and personnel.

Because control over education is now being relegated to departments other than the Department of Education, we clarify that no federal agency, department, board, or other entity may exercise jurisdiction over any aspect of children's upbringing. Education, training, and discipline of children are properly placed in the domain of their parents.

We support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious. We oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty. We support equitable tax relief for families whose children do not attend government schools.

So that parents need not defy the law by refusing to send their children to schools of which they disapprove, compulsory attendance laws should be repealed.


Creationists propaganda against tons of physical evidence.

Family

The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.

We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.

We recognize that parents have the fundamental right and responsibility to nurture, educate, and discipline their children. We oppose the assumption of any of these responsibilities by any governmental agency without the express delegation of the parents or legal due process. We affirm the value of the father and the mother in the home, and we oppose efforts to legalize adoption of children by homosexual singles or couples.

We affirm both the authority and duty of Congress to limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court in all cases of state sodomy laws in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 2.


God has instituted? Which God? Allah? Buddha?
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      02-29-2008, 01:16 PM   #52
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You are aware that your vote for Constitution Party goes to democrats?
Not true. If it were a vote for Obama it would add to Obama's vote count. A vote for the Constitution Party candidate will be a vote for the Constitution Party candidate.
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Not true. If it were a vote for Obama it would add to Obama's vote count. A vote for the Constitution Party candidate will be a vote for the Constitution Party candidate.
GOP counts on your vote. If you vote for Christian Fundamentalist Party, GOP gets one vote less, increasing chance for dem president. Sort of like Nader in 2000. Capishe?

Maybe I shouldn’t have told you this. Damn.
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GOP counts on your vote. If you vote for Christian Fundamentalist Party, GOP gets one vote less, increasing chance for dem president. Sort of like Nader in 2000. Capishe?

Maybe I shouldn’t have told you this. Damn.
I am well aware of that. It is not the same effect as voting for Obama. When neither of the major parties offers a candidate near enough to my values and stand on issues, I must consider a third party alternative. This also makes sense for those who would normally support the Democrat nominee. If the one they get is not close enough to their position on issues, they should look to the opposing party to see if it is a closer match. If not, the question is whether a third party might field a better match (think Nader).
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Back to OP, have you guys seen this?

Hope it's not a repost...heh, heh, heh
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