M3 lease rates (money factor and residuals) came out today - Page 5

[M3noDRFT] · 02-27-2008, 01:27 PM

Random, but there isn't a 135i vert coming out??

!Xoible · 02-27-2008, 01:28 PM

very wrong forum! go to 1addicts.com or something

Bemve · 02-27-2008, 01:36 PM

Are these numbers for Canada too???

racedoc11 · 02-27-2008, 01:45 PM

this is way high...I was at the dealer last week and I was told for for a 650i that was 82K: 2400 down it comes up to 1200 a month including tax...I assumed at that time that M3 will be less. If the figures you guys came up with is accurate it is better to buy it than wasting 43K ... this is my thought

konaforever · 02-27-2008, 01:51 PM

335i coupe looking good now...

Los Angeles · 02-27-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmos515

Sometimes I mod, other times no.

Why do you get a new car every 9 months?

Don't you lose a lot of money doing that?

Are you buying slightly used cars? or

never been driven brand-new current model year cars?

!Xoible · 02-27-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by racedoc11

this is way high...I was at the dealer last week and I was told for for a 650i that was 82K: 2400 down it comes up to 1200 a month including tax...I assumed at that time that M3 will be less. If the figures you guys came up with is accurate it is better to buy it than wasting 43K ... this is my thought

M cars should have higher MF for sure, like much higher, but should have at least the same residual

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Originally Posted by konaforever

335i coupe looking good now...

+1, not a bad bargain at all

!Xoible · 02-27-2008, 02:20 PM

btw when the Z4M first came out leases were like 1200 altho it's a 50k car! now u can pick one up for 450 a month

BMWPower06 · 02-27-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmos515

This is for 36 months?

This makes no sense, Quick caculations on lease payments for a $70k M3 come out to about $1400 a month with 8% tax included. For BMW where 65% of the cars are leased they are removing themselves from the market.

I need confirmation of this.

I need confirmation of THIS. (bolded)

cosmos515 · 02-27-2008, 03:07 PM

It was a figure that I was told by someone at BMW. We were talking in general, but the figure is right. More than half of all new BMW's sold are leased.

konaforever · 02-27-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWPower06

I need confirmation of THIS. (bolded)

I found this here: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/leasin...1/article.html

"Letting folks transfer their lease makes particularly good sense for Mercedes-Benz and BMW; in 2007, leasing made up a whopping 32 and 60 percent of their respective sales."

Epacy · 02-27-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyz

Oh, ok... then you are right. Didn't catch that, my bad.

No problem. I didn't really say before that I wasn't financing the whole amount. That would suck. Payment will be less than half of what everyone is

about in here.

GregW / Oregon · 02-27-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mantis

btw when the Z4M first came out leases were like 1200 altho it's a 50k car! now u can pick one up for 450 a month

OT: No wonder you have 25,000 + posts--they're all 1 sentence!

Jimmyz · 02-27-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by par4bmw

How did you come to those C63 numbers?

MSRP of 60k with options, and as I said, I used the lease numbers from the E90 M3.

Hans Delbruck · 02-27-2008, 04:01 PM

The reason the residual value is a low percentage is because the MSRP is so high to begin with.... does that make sense or am I not understanding this?

The more you pay, the more you lose. Extreme examples would be the 996 GT2 (depreciated like a rock, percentage-wise) and a Honda Civic (doesn't depreciate much, percentage-wise)

The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out and add on Cali tax. That's why I've hesitated. This isn't in the same ballpark as the E46 M3 was. The E92 would be about $75K for me OTD and that's quite a large chunk to lay down "for a 3 series."

I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!

Jimmyz · 02-27-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmos515

The C63 will have the worst #'s. MB MF is stupid like 10% and their residuals will be like 45%.

I have seen it happen before. You will NO WAY get a c36 for $1000

Out out Audi, BMW and MB. BMW will have the best residuals and MF, Audi may have a lower MF, but also MUCH lower residuals and MB will have bad MF and Residuals.

Sorry, its just how it is, dont shoot the messenger.

Actually for the S5, Audi has a better residual and a worse MF, compared to the E92 M3.

Epacy · 02-27-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!

Agreed.

konaforever · 02-27-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

The reason the residual value is a low percentage is because the MSRP is so high to begin with.... does that make sense or am I not understanding this?

The more you pay, the more you lose. Extreme examples would be the 996 GT2 (depreciated like a rock, percentage-wise) and a Honda Civic (doesn't depreciate much, percentage-wise)

The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out and add on Cali tax. That's why I've hesitated. This isn't in the same ballpark as the E46 M3 was. The E92 would be about $75K for me OTD and that's quite a large chunk to lay down "for a 3 series."

I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!

The costs of the car has no effect on the residuals. BMW's are known for their high residuals.

lucid · 02-27-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out

Yes, BMW fooled us all at first with the relatively low base price, but how many people will end up buying bare bones cars without the packages and leather? They are making us pay $400 for a USB port, and who doesn't need a USB port these day? Clever, ha? Regardless of how restrained one intends to be, this is more like a $65k car without taxes.

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Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.

I don't think the M3s will get hit as hard as the M5s, but yes, there will be significant deals this time next year. I don't have the patience to wait for that though.

Epacy · 02-27-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

I don't think the M3s will get hit as hard as the M5s, but yes, there will be significant deals this time next year. I don't have the patience to wait for that though.

That's why you get the deals now, like me.

Hans Delbruck · 02-27-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Epacy

Agreed.

I'm predicting a lot of high-end action on swapalease.com !

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...repo-man_N.htm

lucid · 02-27-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Epacy

That's why you get the deals now, like me.

You probably threatened to sink all the ships they have cars on and got the deal, so an exception really.

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cosmos515 Second Lieutenant Drives: I find what I keeps Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: So Cal Posts: 215 iTrader: (0)	It was a figure that I was told by someone at BMW. We were talking in general, but the figure is right. More than half of all new BMW's sold are leased. __________________ "Motion does not equal progress" "I love the smell of cosmoline in the morning"

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Hans Delbruck BMW & MB - friends in my garage Drives: C63, 135i, 1959 BUICK Join Date: May 2005 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 1,284 iTrader: (0)	The reason the residual value is a low percentage is because the MSRP is so high to begin with.... does that make sense or am I not understanding this? The more you pay, the more you lose. Extreme examples would be the 996 GT2 (depreciated like a rock, percentage-wise) and a Honda Civic (doesn't depreciate much, percentage-wise) The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out and add on Cali tax. That's why I've hesitated. This isn't in the same ballpark as the E46 M3 was. The E92 would be about $75K for me OTD and that's quite a large chunk to lay down "for a 3 series." I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals. With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD! __________________ 2009 135i 6MT Euro Delivery 9/5/09 BMW Performance Power Kit - Exhaust - Short Shifter

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racedoc11 Captain Drives: 2008 335XI CP & 2008 M3 E93 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Posts: 912 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 E93 M3 [0.00] 2008 335xi [0.00]	this is way high...I was at the dealer last week and I was told for for a 650i that was 82K: 2400 down it comes up to 1200 a month including tax...I assumed at that time that M3 will be less. If the figures you guys came up with is accurate it is better to buy it than wasting 43K ... this is my thought

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