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View Poll Results: What influenced BMW USA's M3 pricing the most?
KILL Lexus IS-F and AMG C63 and keep the segment to themselves 39 25.32%
BMW 335i was such a good car, the M3 couldn't command a bigger premium 18 11.69%
US Economy slowing down in 2008 27 17.53%
To hit the unit goal of 100,000 units, need to price the car to hit these volumes 70 45.45%
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      01-17-2008, 02:59 PM   #89
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Remember that "test" that Clarkson did during the m3 vs rs4 vs c63 TopGear episode. You Tbone would've broke the "test meter" to pieces.
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      01-17-2008, 04:18 PM   #90
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Remember that "test" that Clarkson did during the m3 vs rs4 vs c63 TopGear episode. You Tbone would've broke the "test meter" to pieces.
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Wait a second, i can't believe you just dissed the RS4. The car that set the new standards on that segment. You are unbelievable, but i should'nt be surprised. Let's just wait and see when the new RS4 comes out and smoke all of the competition. Keep trolling Tbone, listen to your master.
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You've failed to realize that i will not stoop down to your level and start bashing BMW. Because i do like BMW's and planning to own one in the future. Unlike you, who just like to bash other brands for no reason other than to bash. It's people like you that give's BMW owners a bad reputation. But if that's what makes you happy, then so be it. You are a perfect example of a bad fanboy and a badge whore. BTW, be a good boy and keep trolling.
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^^^ See, i knew you'd obey me. Very good boy Tbone. Keep trolling.

4 posts in a row means you are desperate for an internet victory which is not forthcoming to fulfil your empty life devoid of driving pleasure. You reek of the odour of the defeated and someone without a manual transmission.

Come over to the BMW side, you will be much happier and you find much satisifaction mainly provided by a powerful, well balanced car.

I have offered twice if you want to carry on by PM but you hang on to the hope that I will make some sort of concession publicly. Feel free to continue posting....
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      01-17-2008, 04:33 PM   #91
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Okay Tbone the PM it is.
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      01-17-2008, 06:30 PM   #92
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Okay Tbone the PM it is.

gbb357 would you agree we have resolved our differences?

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      01-17-2008, 06:43 PM   #93
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im pretty sure ISF has nothing to do with it...combination of 2 and 4
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      01-17-2008, 07:20 PM   #94
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gbb357 would you agree we have resolved our differences?

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Yeah bro. We're good, sorry for the distractions fellow members. BTW, i voted # 4.
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      02-01-2008, 10:31 AM   #95
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I voted #1.


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Since the only thing we have is the car weight of the ISF, which is heavy BTW, you need to look at other bits of data to calculate the relative weight of the ISF engine.

Sit down for a sec to see if you can absorb this logic.....
  • The IS350 is powered by a V6 and the IS350 should weigh approximately the same as the S54 I6
  • When Lexus bolted on the spare parts, the ISF weighs 300 pounds more than the IS350
  • The ISF also added more weight upfront and changed the static weight distribution in the wrong way
  • Doing the math backwards, a reasonable inferrence would be that the ISF engines weighs 100-150 pounds more than the IS350 engine
  • Assuming the IS350 engine weighs the same as the S54 I6, it is reasonable to conclude that Lexus couldn't deliver the extra horsepower without adding 100-150 pounds
  • Whereas BMW added horsepower while reducing the weight of the engine
  • Here is where you need to pay attention.... It can be reasonably inferred the the S65 weighs less than the ISF engine
  • Hence ISF Engine = Boat Anchor
All these issues would be moot if Lexus was actually proud of the ISF engine and published the exact specs. It is like the drunken brother than nobody talks about.

Have fun in your souped up Camry

I would be happy to school you in boolean logic by PM.

Feel free to continue this thread on M3 pricing by discussing ISF boat anchors.
TBone,
If we are talking motors and their weights, let's look at them.

3.2L I6 in the M3 weighs 478 pounds and makes 333hp.
3.5L V6 in the IS350 weighs 390 pounds and makes 306hp.
New 4.0L M3 V8 weighs 445 pounds and makes 414hp.
Cannot get the 5.0L IS-F V8's weight right now, but it makes 416hp.
7.0L Z06 V8 weighs 458 pounds and makes 505hp.
Even Chrysler's piece of crap 6.1L HEMI weighs 399 pounds and makes 425hp.

So which one is the boat anchor?
Is engine weight vs. hp how an engine should be measured? You tell us.

Eric

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Yeh and if I recently bought a 335i I would be so upset.
I just leased a 335i and I'm happy haha...
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Butthurt much are we? I sure hope none of us go to their sites and degrade ourselfs by posting up crap like this.
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Tbone, you are hilarious. You should write for the car mags. I was dying laughing, especially when you posted the pictures of the Audi hammer perfect wt distr.

Great stuff.
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      02-12-2008, 06:57 PM   #99
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Have you even mentioned reliability? What is the reliability rate? I own an M. And reliability does not go in the same sentence. Not to mention BMW NA's haggle with warranty claims and denials.
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TBone,
If we are talking motors and their weights, let's look at them.

3.2L I6 in the M3 weighs 478 pounds and makes 333hp.
3.5L V6 in the IS350 weighs 390 pounds and makes 306hp.
New 4.0L M3 V8 weighs 445 pounds and makes 414hp.
Cannot get the 5.0L IS-F V8's weight right now, but it makes 416hp.
7.0L Z06 V8 weighs 458 pounds and makes 505hp.
Even Chrysler's piece of crap 6.1L HEMI weighs 399 pounds and makes 425hp.

So which one is the boat anchor?
Is engine weight vs. hp how an engine should be measured? You tell us.

Eric
TBONE just got OWNED!

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      02-13-2008, 12:36 PM   #101
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TBone,
If we are talking motors and their weights, let's look at them.

3.2L I6 in the M3 weighs 478 pounds and makes 333hp.
3.5L V6 in the IS350 weighs 390 pounds and makes 306hp.
New 4.0L M3 V8 weighs 445 pounds and makes 414hp.
Cannot get the 5.0L IS-F V8's weight right now, but it makes 416hp.
7.0L Z06 V8 weighs 458 pounds and makes 505hp.
Even Chrysler's piece of crap 6.1L HEMI weighs 399 pounds and makes 425hp.

So which one is the boat anchor?
Is engine weight vs. hp how an engine should be measured? You tell us.

Eric
No its weight distribution. As in the RS4 is almost 60/40. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I guess the extra diffs up front for the 4WD might contribute to weight up front and the "hammer" understeer-FTW syndrome.
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No its weight distribution. As in the RS4 is almost 60/40. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I guess the extra diffs up front for the 4WD might contribute to weight up front and the "hammer" understeer-FTW syndrome.

There is a lot of things which makes the RS4 so nose heavy, one is because the front diff is behind the gearbox (cured with the new MLP chassis), second is the added weight of the transfer box (quattro), third the front diff itself and finally the front axle with the added strengthening to cope with the power. When all of these things are taken in to consideration I reckon Audi have done a bloody good job to have it only 60/40. Plus adding awd up to a point helps keep understeer in check, but only up to a point.

The new A4 3.2 Quattro has an engine which is only 49Lbs lighter than the M3's 4.0L and yet with all of it's extra quattro hardware it's weight dist. is only 3.4% more to the front of the car than the M3 has which I believe is totally amazing.
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Have you even mentioned reliability? What is the reliability rate? I own an M. And reliability does not go in the same sentence. Not to mention BMW NA's haggle with warranty claims and denials.
Sorry to hear. My car is a tank. And as for warranty, BMW replaced the coil packs last week for free. Yep 0$ from my pocket at almost 120k miles. To me that is absolutely exemplary, even if this part was TSB'd. Other than that, my only other problem was an alternator at about 90k..
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Have you even mentioned reliability? What is the reliability rate? I own an M. And reliability does not go in the same sentence. Not to mention BMW NA's haggle with warranty claims and denials.

I have had 3 M's and the E46 was the most unreliable, stranding me 3 times with faulty relays on the SMG. Absolutely no engine problems in any M car. BMWs in general have very little wrong with them.

Just don't buy the September and October builds, it is Oktoberfest in Bavaria...... Build quality not so good.
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Just an update on the weight comparison. It seems that they're all relatively close.

M3 coupe= 3704lbs
M3 sedan= 3726lbs
IS-F= 3780lbs
C63= 3813lbs
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the poll is silly! talking as if M3's price is so cheap!
If you buy the car as is, stock with no options, then it is relatively cheap. The problem is once you start adding options, the price can easily add up. Fully loaded is around $73k. And if you buy an M3 from a dealers stock inventory, more than likely they will only have M3's in their lot with options already included .
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