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      02-03-2008, 07:24 AM   #111
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Everything I can think of that the fully loaded 92 M3 has over the fully loaded 335
(please update this list & put the price next to it to upgrade aftermarket)

NA high revving V8 ($2000 Proceed chip for equivalent speeds)
Brakes that rival the gt3 rs ($5500-6000 installed)
LSD ($3000-4500) note, the diff on the 335 is now welded on
Sport seats (easily $5000+ for the same caliber installed)
Stiffer chassis (good question, anyone?)
Sport suspension ($1500 installed)
Performance steering wheel (no idea, anyone?)
High flow exhaust ($1600 installed)
High Performance Clutch & Flywheel (3000 installed)
CF roof (about $1600 installed)
DKG transmission (not yet, maybe not ever)
19" wheels cost much less ($3100 premium)
Built differently from the ground up (???)
Warranty (335 doesn't have one after all the mods. Price anyone?)
///M badge (priceless) sorry, had to do it



You mean to tell me you would spend all that extra money for 4 seconds at the 'ring and a slower 1/4 mile time ? Oh i almost forgot that M// badge for your egos. To me the best value is the 335 hands down. If im spending 70k its the z06, btw it would crush u on either a roadcourse or 1/4 track. Keep waving your M flag boys.
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With the prices you've got in the States there is no excuse to buy a 335 and modify it if the M3 is available especially now with the DCT coming. You don't find any M3 owners going to the 335 forum but only the other way around, that must be saying something to you! If you need to justify your purchase to yourself, do it in bed at night! nuff of this nonsense.
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You mean to tell me you would spend all that extra money for 4 seconds at the 'ring and a slower 1/4 mile time ? Oh i almost forgot that M// badge for your egos. To me the best value is the 335 hands down. If im spending 70k its the z06, btw it would crush u on either a roadcourse or 1/4 track. Keep waving your M flag boys.
I notice a lot of people have opinions on lots of rival being better than the M3 including the 335i but I also notice that most of them claim to be BMW owners but without photos of their motors.
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      02-03-2008, 09:05 AM   #114
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How much for a 335i in the US without a moonroof? Oh that's right, they don't exist. I might already have one for a daily if they did.
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      02-03-2008, 10:32 AM   #115
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With the prices you've got in the States there is no excuse to buy a 335 and modify it if the M3 is available especially now with the DCT coming. You don't find any M3 owners going to the 335 forum but only the other way around, that must be saying something to you! If you need to justify your purchase to yourself, do it in bed at night! nuff of this nonsense.
Whatever. There are a ton of M3 owners on the 335i forum.

Apples-for-Apples, the M3 is still $20K more expensive.

The bottom line is this, the M3 got beat by a modded 335i in the only magazine comparo there is. The M3 is slower than a modded 335i in every category. BMW themselves admitted how close they are by welding the 335i differential housing, a tactic used as a desperate last resort. Even the magazines are saying if you want a driver's car, wait for the 135i tii. BMW screwed up with the too little, too late V8 engine. They screwed up with mandatory active steering and lesser floating caliper brakes than what is on the 135i (proper 6 pots). They screwed the pooch on this one, and only M fanbois think otherwise.

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      02-03-2008, 11:22 AM   #116
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Whatever. There are a ton of M3 owners on the 335i forum.

Apples-for-Apples, the M3 is still $20K more expensive.

The bottom line is this, the M3 got beat by a modded 335i in the only magazine comparo there is. The M3 is slower than a modded 335i in every category. BMW themselves admitted how close they are by welding the 335i differential housing, a tactic used as a desperate last resort. Even the magazines are saying if you want a driver's car, wait for the 135i tii. BMW screwed up with the too little, too late V8 engine. They screwed up with mandatory active steering and lesser flotaing caliper brakes than what is on the 135i (proper 6 pots). They screwed the pooch on this one, and only M fanbois think otherwise.
Hahaha. The M3 has the best V8 engine this side of a Ferrari as numerous reviews have confirmed, it doesnt have active steering and if you think the brakes on the 135 are better than you honestly should stick to the 335 forum. Never ever compare your 335 to anything with an M on it. M is a science, its a complete package. You have a great car but its not an M. I guess thats why it pains and you come on this forum.
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      02-03-2008, 11:38 AM   #117
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Hahaha. The M3 has the best V8 engine this side of a Ferrari as numerous reviews have confirmed, it doesnt have active steering and if you think the brakes on the 135 are better than you honestly should stick to the 335 forum. Never ever compare your 335 to anything with an M on it. M is a science, its a complete package. You have a great car but its not an M. I guess thats why it pains and you come on this forum.
Let me quote from R&T

"the Servotronic power steering has dual-modes...somewhere around 70 mph there is a change in effort...it makes slalom runs difficult"

Another quote from the same issue:

"even the new M3 retains what many consider inferior brake components"
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Apples-for-Apples, the M3 is still $20K more expensive.
You obviously didn't excel in much.
  1. M3 Sedan $53,800
  2. 335i Sedan $38,900
    $14,900
  1. M3 Coupe $56,500
  2. 335i Coupe $40,800
    $15,700
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Let me quote from R&T

"the Servotronic power steering has dual-modes...somewhere around 70 mph there is a change in effort...it makes slalom runs difficult"

Another quote from the same issue:

"even the new M3 retains what many consider inferior brake components"

ok... and thats not active steering, get your facts right. AS varies the steering gearing. I've read nothing but praise for the M3's brakes. Its like your AS argument someone told somebody else that a floating caliper system is bad...pls
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They screwed up with mandatory active steering and lesser flotaing caliper brakes than what is on the 135i (proper 6 pots).
In the Feb 2008 Bimmer magazine they talk about your beloved 6 pots fading on the 1-series.
Do you just assume that since you see a 6 pot caliper it must be better?
Not a good round of posts for you lately.
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sdiver68,

The thing that amazes me is how people who have never sampled the new M3 can discuss what you believe is wrong with it.

It makes me laugh out-loud.
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      02-03-2008, 12:22 PM   #122
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You obviously didn't excel in much.
  1. M3 Sedan $53,800
  2. 335i Sedan $38,900
    $14,900
  1. M3 Coupe $56,500
  2. 335i Coupe $40,800
    $15,700
Minus $5K for ED after negotiations like I received INCLUDING trip to Germany, and there is your $20K.

Are you an accountant per chance?
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      02-03-2008, 12:24 PM   #123
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sdiver68,

The thing that amazes me is how people who have never sampled the new M3 can discuss what you believe is wrong with it.

It makes me laugh out-loud.
Well, honestly, from someone who knows nothing about slip angles and trail braking, that's OK!
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Minus $5K for ED after negotiations like I received INCLUDING trip to Germany, and there is your $20K.

Are you an accountant per chance?
So, because you did ED that means anyone who is buying a 335 will also do ED and receive the same discount? Get real. You really don't know how to compare apples to apples.

Not an accountant. Why?
Do you think someone who can do simple arithmetic must be an accountant?
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ok... and thats not active steering, get your facts right. AS varies the steering gearing. I've read nothing but praise for the M3's brakes. Its like your AS argument someone told somebody else that a floating caliper system is bad...pls
OK, Active steering was the wrong choice of words, although I know that BMW's version of Active Steering is not on the M3. How about in the future I use the longer term "variable speed sensitive steering with a discernible switch in effort around 70 mph" that most every review has complained about, or VSSSDSE70, for short
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      02-03-2008, 12:35 PM   #126
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So, because you did ED that means anyone who is buying a 335 will also do ED and receive the same discount? Get real. You really don't know how to compare apples to apples.

Not an accountant. Why?
Do you think someone who can do simple arithmetic must be an accountant?
Nice try. Apples-for-Apples means best price for both. When M3's are available ED with discount or even below MSRP at the delaers, I assure you I will change my analysis. Also, I did not even add back in the tax delta...if I did we'd be looking at at least another $3K OTD.

I asked if you are an accountant because often they look at a set of numbers and interpret them incorrectly. The fall of the US automobile industry is often described as partially the result of short sighted accounting decisions.
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Well, honestly, from someone who knows nothing about slip angles and trail braking, that's OK!


Oh what a witty reply and how many rallies have you done.

From the country which believe racing is going around an oval always turning in one direction and you are trying to tell me I don't know my business.

You haven't driven the M3 so don't assume you know what it is or isn't like. I listen to too many would be roadtesters on this site that know precious little when they say that the M3 isn't superior to the 335i.
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From the country which believe racing is going around an oval always turning in one direction and you are trying to tell me I don't know my business.
That was a good one
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      02-03-2008, 02:28 PM   #129
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That was a good one
Do you truly believe you have a clue about the M3 versus the 335
a 135 , spec Miata, C6 Corvette or 911 without driving them on the same track?

With all the mightier than thou comments you have made here regarding the
335 and M-3 I would expect you to have a modified track prepared car.

I call BS put up or shut up how is your 335 modded ? where are the pics,
track times, real world comparisons, onl come from real world experiences
I take it you have driven a new M3, and a 135 on a track, with a 335 to compare ?

Come over get your FIA certificate and run the cars your yapping about
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