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      12-21-2007, 04:00 PM   #23
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LOL if only we paid $70k for them here!!
My theory is BMW makes nothing on the USA cars they sell then reams the rest of the world to cover it!

M3 here in NZ is $125,800 USD before ANY options are applied.

You guys are lucky!
One of my co-workers was espousing this. In the case of higher-end Audis I think it's true as they have NO natural EUR/USD hedge (no production Stateside) - at least BMW has Spartanburg.

I moved to the US just so I could afford a high-end Bimmer or Porsche What w/ nose-bleed prices for 911s etc Downunder and not to mention Sydney / Perth / Auckland home prices ( ) ... sums could never be made to work.
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      12-21-2007, 04:42 PM   #24
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      12-21-2007, 06:03 PM   #25
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c63 amg
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335i mod the hell out of it


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nothing and just save money.. lol
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      12-21-2007, 06:15 PM   #26
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Lots of M3 buyers considering S5...

I wonder if the S5 is affecting BMW's decision on NA pricing (maybe alittle)... If M3 comes in too high, I believe a lot of buyers will go to Audi and the S5.

I know I will...
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      12-21-2007, 08:29 PM   #27
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How can i forget about the C63 AMG.

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As much as i love the GTR, it is almost impossible and unrealistic to be able to get one. But it would definitely be on top of my list as well, great choice.
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As much as i love the GTR, it is almost impossible and unrealistic to be able to get one. But it would definitely be on top of my list as well, great choice.
It's incredible, for sure - but selling for < $70k???
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C63 MB

Cadillac CTS-V (supposed to have M5 beating performance at M3 beating price)

S5 when dual clutch comes out

335 fully optioned w/ BMW 20-spoke rims and DINAN flash

I would love to say Cayman S, but I need a back seat
The CTS-V is going to be a real sleeper. No one seems to understand what a beast this car is going to be. Reports indicate they have revised the rear suspension and have cured the infamous axle hop.
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      12-21-2007, 11:01 PM   #32
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It's incredible, for sure - but selling for < $70k???
Exactly, i read somewhere that dealers might be marking it up as much as $20k over msrp.
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The CTS-V is going to be a real sleeper. No one seems to understand what a beast this car is going to be. Reports indicate they have revised the rear suspension and have cured the infamous axle hop.
Will weight be an issue?
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The CTS-V is going to be a real sleeper. No one seems to understand what a beast this car is going to be. Reports indicate they have revised the rear suspension and have cured the infamous axle hop.
Over 500hp V8 and it will be competing against the M5 instead of the M3, which i'm kinda confused about because of the size and tremendous price difference.
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      12-21-2007, 11:06 PM   #35
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Exactly, i read somewhere that dealers might be marking it up as much as $20k over msrp.
And I think they could get it. I have proposed somewhere else on the board: would you pay MSRP +$15k for a Shelby 500 GT (and on MSRP a greater premium) with an agricultural rear suspension, or +$20k for state-of-the art GT-R. I say no contest.

And that's why I'm considering the M3: love the marque and the amazing donk in this car - I hope BMW USA price it appropriately.
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      12-22-2007, 08:04 AM   #36
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So I've found the M3post section of this forum completely boring over the last few days and returned to the tunner section of E90post.

There are some truly amazing things going on with tunes and piggybacks for the 335 that are producing large gains for relatively small investments.

I think if BMW over-prices the M3 in the US by even 5 grand, they will see a large number of defectors from the "ultimate" 3 series to the 335. The TT-3 is already a car that can give the M3 a run for its money, and with an easy to accomplish tune will likely walk the M3 in all situations. How embarassing would it be to get stomped on repeatedly or not be able to pass a regular old looking 335 in your brand new, 70,000 M3???

Just so you know, a simple 2K reflash of the 335 ECU that comes with FULL warranty (Dinan) puts down 332 rwhp and 360 rwtq - talk about WALKING on an M3.
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      12-22-2007, 09:28 AM   #37
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Just so you know, a simple 2K reflash of the 335 ECU that comes with FULL warranty (Dinan) puts down 332 rwhp and 360 rwtq - talk about WALKING on an M3.
Well the M3 should still be a little faster in a straight line, but we are talking 98% of the performance at 70%(?) of the price. don't forget, a 3 series is eligible for ED, and M is not, so right there comparing US MSRP is off by $3-4K.

BTW, BMW corporate has been unusually "hostile" in attitude towards the Dinan flash. This is coming from multiple sources. I don't know what this means yet about Dinan and BMW. It is interesting that other "semi-official" BMW tuners, such as Hartge, only flashed to 360ish crank...I wonder if BMW put the word out to limit the HP to that range and Dinan said no thanks?
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Considering that the MSRP would be around $65k-$70k, i'm guessing of course, these would be my other possible choices for myself.



Good alternatives to the new E-90 M3

C63
next gen CTS-V
next gen S4 or RS4 (but don't think it will happen any time soon)
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As for a modded 335; we all know what a one-legger is capable of on meth....

s5: IMO, is a different car for a different driver.

GT-R: can't seem to embrace the styling...

If the m3 didn't exist I would have to force myself to start looking at Pcar$...
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      12-23-2007, 10:09 AM   #40
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1. C63
2. GT-R
3. M3
4.IS-F

Assuming the same price.
I believe that equally equipped, they will all be within $5k of each other by MSRP.
It's hard to factor in how much stealer mark ups will be.
This is from a married guy with kids.
But due to my special circumstances (military, location, discounts)
1. M3 sedan
2. GT-R
3. C63
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      12-23-2007, 11:41 AM   #41
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1. C63 AMG - although the lack of manual trans may be a deal breaker
2. CTS-V
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      12-25-2007, 12:04 AM   #42
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I just picked up a Z4 M coupe with the great deals going on right now. Surprized no one has mentioned it yet. BTW i pulled about a car length on a Aston Martin V8 Vantage from 55-95 the other day! BMW for the win!
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      12-26-2007, 08:13 AM   #43
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good choice, HB. If I could swing a two seater, I'd likely have taken advantage of those deals as well. At current prices the cars are a steal.
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I seriously doubt GT-R will sell < $70K.

Mine would be:

* Cayman S (that chassis and steering, but underpowered)
* used RS4
* used 911
* S5
* 335i and mod the hell out of it

I think this would be the order I would chose as well.
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