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      11-27-2007, 11:19 AM   #133
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Individual Audio has to be on the option list. Would be total crap if they didn't offer it.
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      11-27-2007, 11:24 AM   #134
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Logic7 is the base system in US-spec 335i's. One would suspect that it is the base system in US-spec M3's as well, but we'll see.
Seems reasonable, but the sheet Davo posted must be wrong in that case...


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      11-27-2007, 12:13 PM   #135
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3 months before US production is Sep 07, according to the leaked option page, which had a production date of 12/07.
What he is saying is that US production doesn't start until March 08? I doubt that.
Yes, he is basically saying that full blown US production will start in March and the first customer allocations will be for April.

Again, these are all estimates so make of them what you will.

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      11-27-2007, 06:41 PM   #136
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Individual Audio has to be on the option list. Would be total crap if they didn't offer it.
Has anyone actually heard it? It's based on the DIRAC system out of Sweden. Huge amount of digital signal processing, Class D amplifiers, etc. Logic 7 is purist compared to this. Not sure I want that much signal manipulation. I'm also not that impressed with the design of the speakers. Neodymium magnets won't improve performance, just reduce weight. Hexacone material is ok, but sounds no better than well designed paper or metal cones. The devil's always in the details, and all this high tech may or may not be better.
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      11-27-2007, 08:14 PM   #137
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Has anyone actually heard it? It's based on the DIRAC system out of Sweden. Huge amount of digital signal processing, Class D amplifiers, etc. Logic 7 is purist compared to this. Not sure I want that much signal manipulation. I'm also not that impressed with the design of the speakers. Neodymium magnets won't improve performance, just reduce weight. Hexacone material is ok, but sounds no better than well designed paper or metal cones. The devil's always in the details, and all this high tech may or may not be better.
Interesting technical tidbit. Good stuff!
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      11-27-2007, 09:12 PM   #138
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Has anyone actually heard it? It's based on the DIRAC system out of Sweden. Huge amount of digital signal processing, Class D amplifiers, etc. Logic 7 is purist compared to this. Not sure I want that much signal manipulation. I'm also not that impressed with the design of the speakers. Neodymium magnets won't improve performance, just reduce weight. Hexacone material is ok, but sounds no better than well designed paper or metal cones. The devil's always in the details, and all this high tech may or may not be better.
Your views on what it takes for good sound make it seem like you really don't know what you are talking about.
DSP is a huge part of reproducing sound when we are talking about it coming from CDs or MP3. You want no DSP when the source is encoded with HD audio or enhanced sound, i.e DVD-audio, SACD, DD or DTS encoded. Thereby letting the pure signal pass through the processing unit of the audio system and delivered to the ears without interruption or additions.
I also find it highly odd you think well designed paper cones are sufficient.
And let me try to comprehend that you are dogging on Class D amplifiers...
Do you know the benefits of such amplifiers?
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      11-27-2007, 10:32 PM   #139
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Your views on what it takes for good sound make it seem like you really don't know what you are talking about.
DSP is a huge part of reproducing sound when we are talking about it coming from CDs or MP3. You want no DSP when the source is encoded with HD audio or enhanced sound, i.e DVD-audio, SACD, DD or DTS encoded. Thereby letting the pure signal pass through the processing unit of the audio system and delivered to the ears without interruption or additions.
I also find it highly odd you think well designed paper cones are sufficient.
And let me try to comprehend that you are dogging on Class D amplifiers...
Do you know the benefits of such amplifiers?
And an interesting rebuttle.
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      11-27-2007, 11:12 PM   #140
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That's incorrect in the USA... the $400 MSRP/$365 invoice includes the cable. The dealer parts department should give the cable free of charge to owners once the car is delivered.
Sorry your wrong it's 350, and 50 for the cable ....when you purchase thru MILITARY SALES they caharge you 350, because the cable is 50 bucks...okay..and that why it...400 thru the U.S dealers..damn man..I have bought thru Military sales a few times so don't tell me aight
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      11-27-2007, 11:37 PM   #141
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Your views on what it takes for good sound make it seem like you really don't know what you are talking about.
Or is it possible you simply are misunderstanding what I'm talking about?

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DSP is a huge part of reproducing sound when we are talking about it coming from CDs or MP3. You want no DSP when the source is encoded with HD audio or enhanced sound, i.e DVD-audio, SACD, DD or DTS encoded. Thereby letting the pure signal pass through the processing unit of the audio system and delivered to the ears without interruption or additions.
You're not very clear, but it seems you're referring to the fact that CD's and MP3's are 2 channel and the others are (potentially) multi channel. SACD and DVD Audio can actually be either. Or did you mean something else?
The DSP you are describing is basically addressed by Logic 7; i.e., generating 5.2 surround from 2-channel sources. That has nothing to do with DIRAC which uses DSP to address the loudspeaker system in the car environment. From their product description:
"Digital frequency and transient correction of sound systems. With Dirac Live™ you will not only reduce unwanted room-acoustics to a minimum. These high-resolution time- and frequency domain filters also compensate for imperfections in the physical layout of the loudspeaker system. The result is a substantially improved musical staging, clarity, and precision not just in a small sweetspot but in the entire listening volume. On top of this, you can easily apply your own branded sound identity to all of your sound systems."

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I also find it highly odd you think well designed paper cones are sufficient.
Why don't you tell me what you think is insufficient about a well designed paper cone driver?


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And let me try to comprehend that you are dogging on Class D amplifiers...
Do you know the benefits of such amplifiers?
I'm not dogging on them. They have their place. I certainly do know the benefits of Class D. Do you know the drawbacks? Or do you think there aren't any?
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      11-28-2007, 01:12 AM   #142
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Heres what one member said on m3forum.net that I think is a really accurate estimate.

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I'll be doing that dance once 'official' prices are released...

but since the info seems to be released formally in writing for mil sales, and it's usually a 10% or so discount...the number should be around 57 or so



gas guzzler 1k (my estimate)
CW package
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aw is no cost
the EDC sounds like a no go...as long as the default is the middle range..

I'll wait to buy 'take off' 19's with tires, use the 18's for winter...

options maybe 4k total

61 + tax...66k out the door does not seem unrealistic...
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Sorry your wrong it's 350, and 50 for the cable ....when you purchase thru MILITARY SALES they caharge you 350, because the cable is 50 bucks...okay..and that why it...400 thru the U.S dealers..damn man..I have bought thru Military sales a few times so don't tell me aight
Military Sales is not thru USA dealers, that's the reason of the reference to in USA.

Here the 6FL option is $400, cable included. Thru Military Sales is $350.00, cable not included.

Simple.

I also bought a BMW thru Military Sales, when it was combined with European Delivery right there in Germany. So I know a thing or two of what I'm talking about.
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      11-28-2007, 08:16 AM   #144
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In Germany extended leather costs 50% more than leather, so $2,150 is the total price for the ext leather, not on top of the €1,450.
Here in the USA Extended Leather is only offered currently in the Z4 M, and it is a $2700 option by itself (Leather is standard). In the M5/M6, the Full Leather is a $3500 option, (Extended Leather is standard). As you can see, in here is not a 50% addition... never been.

We would need to wait for BMWNA to see how they are going to price the Extended Leather in the M3, as it will come here with Cloth/Leather seats standard. And they will offer Leather and Extended Lether options from base...

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The base system is the HiFi system. The sheet davo posted says 10 speakers and 200 Watt, Logic7 has 13 speakers and in total about 350 Watt. So the $700 probably are for the Logic7, Individual Audio seems not (yet) to be mentioned in that sheet.


Best regards, south
That's what I guessed, but then again, the one-step-below-Logic 7 audio upgrade in the 1 Series is a $875 option here in the USA. And the base audio system in that 1 Series is that same 10 speakers and 200W amp.

Unless this is an upgrade only for the M3, I doubt it. I do think either that Logic 7 will be standard or that price is made up.

In the other hand, the Individual Audio (Enhanced) in the M5 is a $700 option, however Logic 7 is standard.
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Correction: HiFi system (10 speakers) is standard, Enhanced (16 speakers, Individual Audio) is optional: http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/2008-B...ring-Guide.pdf

Good news: for upgrading with aftermarket, the HiFi is perfect.

Bad news: forget about Enhanced at $700, that's just impossible in BMW terms...
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Military Sales is not thru USA dealers, that's the reason of the reference to in USA.

Here the 6FL option is $400, cable included. Thru Military Sales is $350.00, cable not included.

Simple.

I also bought a BMW thru Military Sales, when it was combined with European Delivery right there in Germany. So I know a thing or two of what I'm talking about.
Here the 6FL option is $400, cable included. Thru Military Sales is $350.00, cable not included.
Yeah jsut what I said..ass hole
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I should have never questioned the price of that cable...
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Here the 6FL option is $400, cable included. Thru Military Sales is $350.00, cable not included.
Yeah jsut what I said..ass hole
Oooook... I think that, for a discussion about car equipment, you kind of being too sensitive, bro.
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Here the 6FL option is $400, cable included. Thru Military Sales is $350.00, cable not included.
Yeah jsut what I said..ass hole
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I should have never questioned the price of that cable...
Yep!
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      12-02-2007, 08:39 AM   #152
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Correction: HiFi system (10 speakers) is standard, Enhanced (16 speakers, Individual Audio) is optional: http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/2008-B...ring-Guide.pdf

Good news: for upgrading with aftermarket, the HiFi is perfect.
Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion? I am interested in any more info on this subject. Thanks.
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Verified with my dealer as well, the premium sound is the individual sound.
In the brochure he linked to, it states the 10-speaker system is standard. Same thing as in the M5 and the upgrade there is $700. It's obviously reasonable to expect the same dollar amount for the M3.
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