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      04-26-2014, 10:58 AM   #45
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I'd like to see a comparison between these and the OEM EDC suspension. I know they claim these are "performance oriented" but what does that mean? Will they perform similar to coilovers? Will the car handle any better than with the OEM dampers?
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      04-28-2014, 05:06 AM   #46
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any picture of these?
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any picture of these?
There's pictures on the first page.
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      06-24-2014, 12:44 PM   #50
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I wrote a short snippet on another thread but here is a bit of a longer version of my review:

Install:

Fairly easy. Very well developed product with the wiring diagram, connections etc. Truly a plug and play solution. Took me a hell of a time to get these in place but end result was worth it. No EDC failure light and EDC works in all three modes. Installed with GC Camber plates and Eibach Springs. NO ISSUES with the install piece.

Why Eibach? Most Bilstein shocks have been matched to a tad higher rate than stock and they sell Eibachs as a kit. During my E36 M3 years, I spoke with Bilstein and the shocks were designed to mate with stock Euro M3 springs (10-15% higher than US spec) and they recommended Eibach back in the days as well. Perhaps the partnership...

HD vs Sport? The different is the shorter shaft in Sport and has nothing to do with dampening/valving. So no performance benefit except being slammed.

Drive:

Actually MUCH better than stock in comfort mode. There is a built in bump stop inside the front strut (rear shock has its own bump stop) so increased suspension travel. The shaft is MUCH thicker than the stock one altough you are adding a good bit of weight with these steel bodied shocks. Stock shocks are an amazing piece of work to be all aluminum.

I couldnt find that much of a different in normal but under sport the car drives stiffer for sure. Even in bumpy DC streets, the ride is significantly better than stock as I am not hopping. This is also due to the fact these shocks have greater rebound whereas the stock ones lacked that.

Ride Height:

People complain about these sitting higher than stock. Not in my case. The car was measured before and after and is on par with the Eibach drop spec.

Spirited Driving:

I cannot speak to the shocks in isolation but these shocks along with Eibachs and H&R Front bar is just incredible. Very very tolerable on the street with relatively flat in the corners.

Am happy with the outcome. For the money I could have gotten the V3 kit (if you compare retail to retail for the shocks, springs, bar) but I wanted the EDC functionality and did not want to compromise street performance for marginal improvement on track as I a NOT racing or time trailing this.

The feel and overall driving factor has been greatly enhanced.

I did compare it back to back with my friend's ZCP and you can tell this car is both more responsive and more comfortable (again due to increased suspension travel and not bouncing on bump stops).

If you have been considering these, you wont regret it.

Hope this helps.

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      06-25-2014, 03:22 AM   #51
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^ I've just ordered a set in HK based on your review, and since I have a Euro car, I'll just put these on the ZCP springs I have and see how it goes.

It's going to take like 2 months for them to arrive since Gas Shocks can't be shipped via air.

Thanks for the inspiring review!
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Thanks for the review. Still on the fence about these due to the price. Adding the price of regular drop springs and you're approaching the price of high quality mid level coilovers like the V3's and RT's
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I wrote a short snipped on another thread but here is a bit of a longer version of my review:

Install:

Fairly easy. Very well developed product with the wiring diagram, connections etc. Truly a plug and play solution. Took me a hell of a time to get these in place but end result was worth it. No EDC failure light and EDC works in all three modes. Installed with GC Camber plates and Eibach Springs. NO ISSUES with the install piece.

Why Eibach? Most Bilstein shocks have been matched to a tad higher rate than stock and they sell Eibachs as a kit. During my E36 M3 years, I spoke with Bilstein and the shocks were designed to mate with stock Euro M3 springs (10-15% higher than US spec) and they recommended Eibach back in the days as well. Perhaps the partnership...

HD vs Sport? The different is the shorter shaft in Sport and has nothing to do with dampening/valving. So no performance benefit except being slammed.

Drive:

Actually MUCH better than stock in comfort mode. There is a built in bump stop inside the front strut (rear shock has its own bump stop) so increased suspension travel. The shaft is MUCH thicker than the stock one altough you are adding a good bit of weight with these steel bodied shocks. Stock shocks are an amazing piece of work to be all aluminum.

I couldnt find that much of a different in normal but under sport the car drives stiffer for sure. Even in bumpy DC streets, the ride is significantly better than stock as I am not hopping. This is also due to the fact these shocks have greater rebound whereas the stock ones lacked that.

Ride Height:

People complain about these sitting higher than stock. Not in my case. The car was measured before and after and is on par with the Eibach drop spec.

Spirited Driving:

I cannot speak to the shocks in isolation but these shocks along with Eibachs and H&R Front bar is just incredible. Very very tolerable on the street with relatively flat in the corners.

Am happy with the outcome. For the money I could have gotten the V3 kit (if you compare retail to retail for the shocks, springs, bar) but I wanted the EDC functionality and did not want to compromise street performance for marginal improvement on track as I a NOT racing or time trailing this.

The feel and overall driving factor has been greatly enhanced.

I did compare it back to back with my friend's ZCP and you can tell this car is both more responsive and more comfortable (again due to increased suspension travel and not bouncing on bump stops).

If you have been considering these, you wont regret it.

Hope this helps.

Lutfy
Thank you ... very well written
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      07-24-2014, 07:51 PM   #54
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I wonder which one will have more comfortable drive and handle bump better? This or Ohlins?
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      09-10-2014, 06:58 PM   #55
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I am going to with Dinan coilover kit and these shocks so that I can keep the EDC.
Any review of these with the Dinan Stage 1 suspension?
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      09-11-2014, 02:07 PM   #56
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I love this setup with Eibach and HR front only bar. Why I love this and wont drive my 911 on the track? This (action starts at 1:10 mark) :



Cannot go wrong with the shocks. SUPER comfy on the street and VERY satisfying on the track on Sport mode. I didnt like driving the M3 on DC roads but its a pleasure now.

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      09-11-2014, 04:03 PM   #57
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Any pics of the drop on your car? I have ohlins and its definitely just a bit more harsh in slow speeds, but rides nice driving quickly. Im thinking moving to this eventually with springs as i do a lot of city driving. Nice driving btw
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Any pics of the drop on your car? I have ohlins and its definitely just a bit more harsh in slow speeds, but rides nice driving quickly. Im thinking moving to this eventually with springs as i do a lot of city driving. Nice driving btw
Think of it as almost identical to ZCP suspension, maybe just a hair more drop. This is with Eibach springs. Car did settle a bit with time. Looks completely stock and identical compared to a ZCP car. I did a finger measure up front and its half finger lower in the front compared to ZCP and identical at the back.

I can assure you there is never a harsh moment here. Another thing is that the stock struts came with some huge bump stops. Bilsteins dont use any external stops but have built in one hence more suspension travel and cushy ride on the streets.

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Cool, ill eventually will go to these. Hopefully more people will have more reviews as thorough as yours.
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It would sure be nice if they made these dampers for the ZCP setup. I would be all over them.
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I've been running these on my ZCP car for 2 weeks. I would say that you're looking at about 0.5-0.8cm increase in front height after the shock settles. I knew that the ZCP springs would sit a tad higher, and it is fine for me.

The car doesn't wiggle as much after a speed bump. The ride is firmer, but there's a level of damping that wasn't there before, so you have a more use-able sport setting (it's not jarring anymore). There's definitely more feel and feedback from the steering, the pedals, and my behind.

Overall, the performance of these superseded my expectations. It's a good product that works, and it's nice that the wife wouldn't notice.
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I've been running these on my ZCP car for 2 weeks. I would say that you're looking at about 0.5-0.8cm increase in front height after the shock settles. I knew that the ZCP springs would sit a tad higher, and it is fine for me.

The car doesn't wiggle as much after a speed bump. The ride is firmer, but there's a level of damping that wasn't there before, so you have a more use-able sport setting (it's not jarring anymore). There's definitely more feel and feedback from the steering, the pedals, and my behind.

Overall, the performance of these superseded my expectations. It's a good product that works, and it's nice that the wife wouldn't notice.
what about the rear? < 1cm of increase? so basically these will result in the same ride height as a ZCP car with the stock ZCP springs with no camber plates?
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Interesting. Wonder if these shocks coupled with a good adjustable sleeve kit like TC Kline would offer the right height adjustment to offset the ride height increase perfectly. This would make for a potent combo while retaining ZCP/EDC. Would be expensive, but probably worth it.

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I've been running these on my ZCP car for 2 weeks. I would say that you're looking at about 0.5-0.8cm increase in front height after the shock settles. I knew that the ZCP springs would sit a tad higher, and it is fine for me.

The car doesn't wiggle as much after a speed bump. The ride is firmer, but there's a level of damping that wasn't there before, so you have a more use-able sport setting (it's not jarring anymore). There's definitely more feel and feedback from the steering, the pedals, and my behind.

Overall, the performance of these superseded my expectations. It's a good product that works, and it's nice that the wife wouldn't notice.
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