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      10-21-2007, 12:09 PM   #23
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Now, you stating that this is the upgraded C63 is plainly WRONG.

This is the Brabus Bullit Supercar, which is the C-Class platform, yes,
but it costs:

348,000 EUROS in Germany!

Come on, that's hardly a competitor for the M3. Why don't you post Carrera GT, SLR, or Pagani pictures next time? (*jk)

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No, it's not "WRONG" because you can get this interior without getting the Bullit. The Bullit is more of a marketing gizmo than a realistic offer. You can get almost everything in that picture today on a non-AMG C-class (runs about $25k) so it will certainly be available for the C63. The only item I've noticed in the picture Brabus doesn't do for their current C class interior upgrades are the seats with CF backs (though they may make those available for the C63).
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No, it's not "WRONG" because you can get this interior without getting the Bullit. The Bullit is more of a marketing gizmo than a realistic offer. You can get almost everything in that picture today on a non-AMG C-class (runs about $25k) so it will certainly be available for the C63. The only item I've noticed in the picture Brabus doesn't do for their current C class interior upgrades are the seats with CF backs (though they may make those available for the C63).
You are right, thank you for the correction. I suppose what I ment is that this
is not the C63, but rather and expensively upgraded C Class (whether C63 or not). By any means, even if only upgrading the interior, it is very different from the M3 and cmpletely in a different league, when looking at the price tag. It's like saying the M5 is the M5 from Lumma (check out that interior if you wanna see M5s nicer than Aston Martins). That's what I was referring to; keep the price in perspective.

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in HKG,C63 has stolen many orders from M3 because of the price. (around HKD1.2m vs 1.36m without M-drive). Even E63 is almost the price as M3. What's the price different between E63,M3 and C63 in Europe and US?

If you are clutch fans,M3 is definitely your choice. However I would consider the price and popularity as well.
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You are right, thank you for the correction. I suppose what I ment is that this
is not the C63, but rather and expensively upgraded C Class (whether C63 or not). By any means, even if only upgrading the interior, it is very different from the M3 and cmpletely in a different league, when looking at the price tag. It's like saying the M5 is the M5 from Lumma (check out that interior if you wanna see M5s nicer than Aston Martins). That's what I was referring to; keep the price in perspective.

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Totally agree base M3 should typically be compared only with base C63. The only reason I suggested the C63 with Brabus interior is the OP's request was M3 vs. C63 thoughts with money as no object. While there's no doubt the M3 is an outstanding car, I have yet to see a particularly striking adaptation of the M3's interior. That being said, stock-for-stock the M3's interior digs are much better than the C63.
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Drive both cars and see which one you prefer. It seems fairly obvious the opinions on this or any other M3 forum will be heavily biased towards M3. Good luck.
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4. C Class looks like a *** car.
explain this to me. It certainly looks nothing like a Suabru Forester. But, I'd care to hear you elaborate. Even though your credibility with such statements is now null.
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Why are you quoting me and referencing Foresters? I never said it looked like a Subaru... Whatta you flaming me for?
His Subaru reference was with respect to your "***" comment. Ironically, he upheld a negative stereotype while simultaneously calling you out for it.

Not that you didn't need a little calling out - its pretty mean spirited to dog people and their cars like that among what is supposed to be a group of fellow enthusiasts. This, especially when the owners aren't even given a chance to defend themselves.

Some of your points were good though.
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ill never get another AMG MB, they are cheap, and MB screws over their buyers by releasing updates and more power on the same model. M3's rarely do that, therefore the resale values stay very strong.
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Drive both cars and see which one you prefer. It seems fairly obvious the opinions on this or any other M3 forum will be heavily biased towards M3. Good luck.
Agree. Also, it will be interesting to compare the comparable lease prices of the M3 and C63. My guess is that the monthly lease price for the M with its high residuals will be appreciably lower.
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Easy comparisons

1. C Class has little to no "Street Cred." 99.9% of the people walking
on planet earth view the C Class as a C Class. A wannabe Benz for the
Couldn't-afford-an-E Class-crowd.
M3 has major street credit, is well respected and viewed as
being it its own class. Seen as The Big Daddy of
the ALREADY well respected 3 Series.

2. Mercedes reliability in last 5 years, a known bad thing. Reported
by JD Powers, Consumer Reports, Magazines, etc.
BMW is known for having been extremely reliable in the last 5 years. They
didn't branch with a company that produces junk, IE Chrysler,
for one thing.

3. Mercedes does not pay for ANYTHING. Service/ maintenance.
BMW pays for EVERYTHING. Service/ maintenance.

4. C Class looks like a *** car.
M3 looks like the car that Jason Staham drives on his way to
assassinate people, while wearing a $15,000 suit. COOL.

5. C Class: Bad resale compared to 3 Series and definitely when
compared to an M3.

6. See # 4
7. See # 4
I could be wrong, but relative to points 1 & 2, the C63 has been specifically developed over the past 3 years to compete with the likes of the M3. This new "C" is supposedly a completely new and different animal than the previous C's that you are referring to.
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I could be wrong, but relative to points 1 & 2, the C63 has been specifically developed over the past 3 years to compete with the likes of the M3. This new "C" is supposedly a completely new and different animal than the previous C's that you are referring to.
I agree with you totally. I think it is a huge step for MBZ and that it may get the ball rolling for future duals. I just think that Benz has a lot of proving to do against the crowned King. It's a great step, but I believe it's been pointed out by testers that the C still has a long way to go to sit at the same table as the M3.

One of my points will remain real for a long time though, as stereotypes and past history are hard things to overcome; The C has no street credit. It may gain that as time goes on, but it'll take years. S Class owners can't stand them. They're as girlie as the base Sportster HD. The M3 is respected and loved by 5 and 7 Series owners. Many of them have one.
To let everyone know, until a few years ago, I was a die hard Benz fanatic. But I know superior workmanship. The tables turned years ago with respect to the quality, service and bang-for-the-buck.
Go look at a C350 and you'll get a damned close impression of what a C63 will be. Check the materials, the looks of that strange hood thing they have going and the overall blandness.

The M3 looks like an Irish street brawler, the C looks.... gosh... like a *** car!
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"One of my points will remain real for a long time though, as stereotypes and past history are hard things to overcome; The C has no street credit."

I guess it depends which street you live on, since AMG cars have dominated the German touring car championship for nearly a decade now.
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Isn't the C class one of the entry level MBs? Comparing a lower level model with one of the highest level models from another brand is quite the jump.
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Isn't the C class one of the entry level MBs? Comparing a lower level model with one of the highest level models from another brand is quite the jump.
The M3 is based on the entry level 3 series.
The C63 is based on the entry level C class.

What's the problem?
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M3 for sure!!! wouldnt think twice. Such a better made car.
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Ok, here are some test results for the C63 from german AMS (for comparsion with the AMS results for M3):

0-100kph 4.7s (4.9)
0-200kph 15.6s (16.7)

18m slalom 63.7kph (66.7kph)
ISO test 130.7/130.3kph (138.0/137.0)

Braking distance from 100kph: 36/37m (37/37)

weight: C63 1803kg - M3 1615kg
tires: C63 Pirelli P Zero - M3 PS2

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its the same story for each generation of MB's C class: "this is it!" "finally a 3 series killer" "AMG has finally done it" etc etc...in the end, it still falls short
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The M3 is based on the entry level 3 series.
The C63 is based on the entry level C class.

What's the problem?

No problem, I was asking an honest question since I don't know much about MBs.
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No problem, I was asking an honest question since I don't know much about MBs.
Ok, no big deal, but from your post you already suggested that the MB was the entry level car. All you had to know was that the 3 series was an entry level car also to make the connection. Not that I care mind you - I was just providing an honest answer.
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