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      03-23-2014, 09:41 AM   #1035
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Yeah, that wasn't a fun moment. It takes time to be ready for these kinds of moments----or even have the proper driving skills so that you don't get into them in the first place. (And I'm sure you already know this, but MDM would have prevented this completely. It shines in moments like these. Unfortunately, we don't realize it because it subtly corrects it and you move on without knowing what it did---grabs the brake on a specific wheel and holds back power a bit----which is course why people say MDM develops bad habits.)

Honestly, Big Willow is a tough place to learn DSC-off because, as you've seen, going off is brutal there. There's pretty much no spot that's good to go off---it's just rocky (big rocks) and nasty everywhere. A place like Buttonwillow is far more forgiving to your car in most places if you go off. The other problem is that Big Willow is mostly high speed. So, when these things happen the drama is heightened. At Buttonwillow, you can go for it in Off-Ramp and try to oversteer and catch it, and you're going uphill, off-camber at only 35mph. It's not that big of a deal to spin it around at that speed, or going off at Sweeper isn't that dramatic----just dusty, versus at 80+mph coming out of Turn 1, Turn 2, or Turn 9 at Willow, or oversteering Turn 3 and hitting the wall, or messing up Turn 8 and really flying…..ooh I saw an E36 go flying off Turn 8…..At Big Willlow, it's just best to stay on the pavement…… (Chuckwalla is also a good place to learn because the track is really wide--40' everywhere--and it's mostly just flat sandy desert if you go off.)

If you want to learn DSC-off, try backing off the pace. You were pretty much full speed in Turn 2. I never go full pace when I drive DSC-off. I'm just not comfortable enough yet. Also, go to a few auto-cross events. Auto-cross can be good for learning as well. The concepts are the same, but at much lower speeds on a really tight course. Also, Willow Springs has a skid pad called the Balcony Skid Pad. You can rent that on your own for pretty cheap and go up there and slide around. I've done it several times. It's quite worth it. You can setup cones and challenges. I've learned a lot up there.

The best thing you can do from that experience is try to learn from it: Listen to the exhaust as you exit Turn 2 and look at the video in the top right corner. Look at the nose of your car start to point to the right as you hear the engine increase rpms. You accelerated without unwinding the steering wheel while coming out of the turn and now the additional power while holding the steering wheel closed as the track is straightening out is resulting in an oversteer situation. (Also, right at that moment--exiting Turn 2, you were cresting a hill which can also make the whole car a bit lighter, which requires even more caution.) At this point, you needed to do a small quick countersteer, and stay on the gas to keep the rear weighted and gripping so it stays behind you. Instead, you did a massive counter steer, let off the gas, the rear unweighted, lost grip, the front tires were turned massively left, the front of the car went left and the unweighted rear came around the right…….But you could have avoided the whole thing if you had let the steering wheel relax back to neutral sooner as you were exiting Turn 2 and let the car track out. You would have completely avoided the oversteer situation altogether.

These things just take time. As you know from my previous postings, I'm still in my infancy of DSC-off as well. I'm trying to learn as much as I can to avoid too many of these incidents. But I've had them too----mostly at Buttonwillow. They're not fun moments; that's for sure.
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Nothing wrong with Nannies-off, just treat your first session as a warm up lap or run with a lower run group. It's all about really learning the difference between DSC-off and DSC-on. Also if running with DSC-on, watch for the light on your dash gauge as your are probably driving beyond your limit if it's coming on too much (It's a cheap/free instructor. Never a bad idea). The biggest error most E92 owners make is we try to drive our car like it weighs 3000lbs (it doesn't). Earlier this year at skip barber, I went flat out through T6's dip in a spec Miata without DSC which I would dare do for a while in our car. Imaging yourself driving in the rain, even though it's dry is a great start. Remember, the weight transfer everyone is talking about is worse as the car gets heavier.
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      03-31-2014, 06:26 PM   #1036
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About two seconds faster this time around, could've done better but had to cut my day short and go home (nothing car related). I know there's a 2:30 flat in there somewhere, just need to find it .

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      03-31-2014, 06:35 PM   #1037
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^Looking good!

Exhaust sounds great too.
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^Looking good!

Exhaust sounds great too.

Thanks! It was a blast, I love that track, so bouncy.
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      03-31-2014, 08:32 PM   #1039
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Thanks! It was a blast, I love that track, so bouncy.
How did you like Cobalt pads?
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      03-31-2014, 10:31 PM   #1040
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How did you like Cobalt pads?
Cobalts were great, awesome torque, and really not as hard to modulate as I've heard. I was pretty much outbreaking cars with much wider and stickier tires, could also be driver based, but I really like them. They have a very strong initial bite, and keep grabbing all the way through. I'm a fan of aggressive pads, so others may vary.
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      03-31-2014, 11:24 PM   #1041
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I think you'll find your 2:30 by removing the passenger seat


Haha jk.

Nice driving Yandy!
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      04-01-2014, 07:36 AM   #1042
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I think you'll find your 2:30 by removing the passenger seat


Haha jk.

Nice driving Yandy!
lol, I can afford to lose a few myself.

passenger's a first timer on the track, wanted to see what it was like. he seemed to enjoy himself
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      04-04-2014, 03:04 PM   #1043
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First day out on newly paved surface so running with Euro-MDM on. Track is quick! You can carry so much more speed through turns 1-4 and around oak tree. This time was 2 seconds better than my best time last year. I'm sure once track rubbers up some it will get even faster.

Also, first track day with the new BBK.... and holy shit... they kick some ass. I knew they would be good, but they were even better than I expected. So consistent and predictable. Love em. This surely helped me be faster than year as well.

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Car: 2013 E92 M3 DCT, ZCP, EDC
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First day out on newly paved surface so running with Euro-MDM on. Track is quick! You can carry so much more speed through turns 1-4 and around oak tree. This time was 2 seconds better than my best time last year. I'm sure once track rubbers up some it will get even faster.

Also, first track day with the new BBK.... and holy shit... they kick some ass. I knew they would be good, but they were even better than I expected. So consistent and predictable. Love em. This surely helped me be faster than year as well.

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Nice lap, Ian, looking good!! Better living thru braking, eh. Can't wait to get out there in May and see how fast the track is now.
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Nice lap, Ian, looking good!! Better living thru braking, eh. Can't wait to get out there in May and see how fast the track is now.
Trackdaze in May? I'll prob be there too.
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Trackdaze in May? I'll prob be there too.

PCA First Settlers region, May 16-18.


I'm thinking I have a 2:09 in me...
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PCA First Settlers region, May 16-18.


I'm thinking I have a 2:09 in me...
Definitely. Track had just opened the week before so it was a little weird, some corners had more grip than last year and some had less. With some sections widened up to 5-6 feet or so, it changed braking points, turn-ins and apexes quite a bit so it took a couple sessions to adjust to it. Since i took my camber plates out for this year, I had quite a bit of understeer in slow corners which slowed me down some. So with a little more age and grip in the surface, plus your tires and plates, I think you will be under 2:10 for sure this year.
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Car: 2013 E92 M3 DCT, ZCP, EDC
Track: VIR Full
Best lap: 2:11.17 with Harry's Lap Timer and Dual XGPS150 @ 4Hz (and GoPoint BT1 for the OBD data)
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Tires: 275/35/18 NT-01 Square
Other: AA Exhaust, MS Drop-In, ESS Tune
Gone this year: Dinan static camber plates, AA HFC X-Pipe

First day out on newly paved surface so running with Euro-MDM on. Track is quick! You can carry so much more speed through turns 1-4 and around oak tree. This time was 2 seconds better than my best time last year. I'm sure once track rubbers up some it will get even faster.

Also, first track day with the new BBK.... and holy shit... they kick some ass. I knew they would be good, but they were even better than I expected. So consistent and predictable. Love em. This surely helped me be faster than year as well.

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nice video and lap! I hope to make up there sometime next year. Track looks really good with the new pavement.
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Track/course: Sonoma Raceway (Sears Point)
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Nice driving. Would love to drive on that track one day.
How do you like your Ohlins on the track? Do you recommend RD sways in combination with ohlins? I just got Ohlins RT installed and will be testing it soon on the track. Any preferred settings track/srtreet?
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E92 M3 6 Speed Manual

Track/course: Sonoma Raceway (Sears Point)
Best Lap Time: 1:52.6 (lap 5 in video)
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Looking good! Dig the short-shift kit.
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Nice driving. Would love to drive on that track one day.
How do you like your Ohlins on the track? Do you recommend RD sways in combination with ohlins? I just got Ohlins RT installed and will be testing it soon on the track. Any preferred settings track/srtreet?
I really love them on and off the track, but I haven't used anything better to compare with. I came from V3's. I run them at 1 click all around from hard at Laguna Seca (very smooth track) and 3 clicks from hard everywhere else. I used to run at around 6-8 clicks on the street which is nice and comfy, but 3 clicks makes the steering feel so much more responsive so I stay there now.

I can't recommend (or not recommend) the RD Sport sways since I've had them on the car for so long. But I can say that the car feels really great to me with the setup as a whole.
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I really love them on and off the track, but I haven't used anything better to compare with. I came from V3's. I run them at 1 click all around from hard at Laguna Seca (very smooth track) and 3 clicks from hard everywhere else. I used to run at around 6-8 clicks on the street which is nice and comfy, but 3 clicks makes the steering feel so much more responsive so I stay there now.

I can't recommend (or not recommend) the RD Sport sways since I've had them on the car for so long. But I can say that the car feels really great to me with the setup as a whole.
The reason i asked about RD sport sways, is because another m3 track driver with Ohlins told me that he was going to install RD sport to compensate for reletively soft ohlins springs.
Dont you think you should set rear dampers a little softer than front?
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The reason i asked about RD sport sways, is because another m3 track driver with Ohlins told me that he was going to install RD sport to compensate for reletively soft ohlins springs.
Dont you think you should set rear dampers a little softer than front?
I don't think my driving is at the point where small changes like that will make a big difference.
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Did a 2:07 on shannonville on AD08 tires and HP+ brake pads. EDC on full stiffness.
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First time at Thunderhill. Nice track----although the Bypass is very hard on the car if you're trying to go fast. The off-camber landing is not a fun experience in a heavy car.

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I think with a little more line work and understanding exit speeds, going sub-2:00 should be very doable. I only had one day there, so I'm happy with this result. Unfortunately, it's almost 500 miles from me so I won't be getting back there for awhile.

The track was buzzing because the new 2-mile section is now fully paved and will be opening I think this weekend.

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