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      11-26-2013, 02:53 PM   #23
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I had understood that GT3's don't have proper rustproofing so that if you drive one in the winter in an area where there is heavy salt use, the car is going to eventually rust out. In any event, why would you subject a GT3 to harsh winter conditions in the first place. Not an ideal DD where you experience real winter.
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      11-26-2013, 04:37 PM   #24
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      11-27-2013, 09:44 AM   #25
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I heard about the delays, that sucks

I cant imagine needing an RS over this car, especially if you plan to drive it on the street

the fact that this car seems so streetable and so massively capable on the track is awesome.

the ride quality and improvements to the road noise and build quality between the 997 and 991 S models is HUGE. the gt3 should be brilliant
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The recent delays have been mostly or completely resolved. Some people got bumped a month or more, some a couple weeks. My delivery was elective. I had a chance to take a Q2 2014 build, late spring-summer delivery, but chose a Q3 2014 build - late summer, early fall 2014 delivery. Q3 and Q4 2014 builds will be MY2015 cars. There may be more options available then as well; sport buckets for one. So a two-three month wait for a year newer car was worth it to me. Also gives me a chance to preview the RS first.

Latest RS rumor, 500-515HP, 60-80lbs lighter, magnesium roof, faster PDK than GT3 (now rumor of sequential gearbox; doubt it), fatter 991 turbo body. 991 GT3 gets 997.2 RS wider body. RS of course needs to be wider yet. Monster 325mm rear skins as in last RS.
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      11-27-2013, 09:55 AM   #26
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If it's your DD then the M3 DCT is the best choice of ANY dual purpose (street/track) car IMHO. It can be modded rather inexpensively (compared to the exotics) to be extremely capable at the track with only tune, titanium exhaust, coils, alignment, BBK and tires (and don't forget a clear bra). All this will run you maybe $15K. And it's a fantastic DD as well.

GT3 is really a second or third car. More capable than the modded M3 but it's not even a good daily driver out here in SoCal. Can't imagine in the NorthEast.
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911s prior to the 991 needed to be slow in and FAST out. They have so much grip in corners you can get on the throttle much earlier and let the rear grip propel you out of the corner. Yes you need more talent if you are 10/10th but again a 911 at 7/10ths is still competing at levels most other cars need to be at 10/10ths to even come close to, yet the 911 isn't anywhere close to its max.
Any 400+ hp car with all traction off is going to be hard to catch unless you're very talented, that goes for the M3 as well.
The M3 while easier to drive will NEVER thrill you or reward you, or put down times in the same game as a 911 given equal drivers. The M3 also masks mistakes of the driver and most people never learn to truly drive well because of it. The Cayman S is a car that is easier to drive than an M3 but gives you the thrills of a 911.
I agree with much of your statement, especially that any 400+HP car will be tough to control and catch with all electronic nannies turned off.


However, a properly setup E92 M3 is a very rewarding car to drive. In stock form at the track, I will be the first to admit that it left much to be desired, especially since it is a pretty quiet car and "soft" in regards to suspension. But once these issues are addressed, the car is very fun and wild and can put down some serious lap times even without any substantial weight reduction. Much like the 997 GT3, most of the M3's suspension links are spherical bearings to keep geometry deflection at a minimum. The rear sub-frame and diff are the weak link, but correctable.

997 and prior Porsche's were a bit of a handful to drive, the 991 made the 911 a soft car compared to previous generations, but it is greatly improved as far as stability goes and sheer performance.

Pretty much all 997's have been plagued with the steering getting a little light at speed. GT3 and GT2 much less than the standard 911's though.

To answer the OP's question, if you are looking for a DD, the GT3 is one of the last cars to consider (not counting uber expensive hyper cars). The M4 would be a better choice, even better than the current M3 since it is turbo charged and will have more usable torque with higher fuel efficiency. If it is not for DD use, there is undeniably no question which car I would choose, and that would be the 997 GT3.
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